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Yeah, I think I am arriving at very much this same place. I love my insteon stuff, but as I want to keep adding/evolving, clearly its not advancing along, or at least it can't be trusted to. I guess I am not enamored with Insteon as much as the duel-mesh attributes in general. The instantaneous response times are hard to let go of. I would marry any company that got that done, and am starting to just accept the loss as my system expands. I think that's where my focus on parameters and associations gets its momentum. I want to be able to tweak things till I don't feel the loss. If RA3 is fully supported by UD, I imagine I will need to seriously dive into that rabbit hole. Haven't played with them at all yet.

Have you seen this? Looks like the nokia thing is toast. Dammit. https://nokiamob.net/2022/04/27/nokias-statement-of-the-smartlabs-financial-troubles/

Oh dear lord don't abandon anything. The extra structure and limitation with ISY has proved to be its strength in my case, as everything out there is such a thicket of proprietary nonsense mixed with a crowded room full of programming languages that are all over my head. Your system gets it down to logic, which is what a real "smart" system should be based on. The bells and whistles are great and all, but not for long term, standard household use. People can make cute programs they use once a year and forget exist all they want... that's not for me... ISY has also been my first experience with anything that even resembled programing, and because of it I have learned so much, and expanded down rabbit holes that have really improved my life. I am no expert at anything, but I have muddled straight through areas I wouldn't have braved contact with in the past. That's thanks to ISY. At the same time, the limitation are, well, limiting. I want your logic to work on everything in the house. I want to be able to keep my hardware updated and and configured too... with as few "unpair->re-pair->update&configure in 20 different buckets->unpair->re-pair->fix all the broken links and programs" as I possibly can. That's all I mean. I want to use z-wave on an ISY... or whatever on an ISY. The ISY is the thing I want to be at the base of the system. But with ISY there's stuff I can't do (or do easily) that inherent with Z-wave. Anyway, you get the point and I am hopeful, confident in fact, at your ability to make it all it can be. Thanks for taking the time.

Given my agreement that we should hope for Insteon's triumphant return, but need to move on... AND given this new colossus' capability to become a true central hub off all things great in the smart home space... (clears throat) Will there be more robust Z-wave adjustment options? Will parameters be more clear and manageable like some of the other hubs in the space? Will associations be writable like some other hubs in the space. Will firmware updates be possible though the software. I know that over the years there has been a "that's not really what the ISY is for" vibe around questions like this, but is seems if you are going to make a primarily Z-wave controller, and point us toward that and away from Insteon, it feels like something that should be truly integrated. I can only imagine that matter will have a whole new host of "under the hood" stuff that's adjustable, and I get that people have argued that ISY is an "external handler" and so things like associations aren't "the focus." But this sort of thing is an argument that made sense 10 years ago. I guess I am just asking if you will be my savior. When I want to add a device to my eisy Matterzz, will I be able to, someday confirm and update the latest firmware, adjust its settings to make sense for the install, and then add it to programs and scenes? In 2022, 0r 2026 even, will i still need to open a windows computer just for firmware updates, do complicated gymnastics to just get up to date basics, then load it into a competing Hub and adjust its parameters (sure I can do this in ISY taking exponentially more time and with more more redundancy) and then add it to the isy and attach the windows computer to that somehow and adjust the associations (saw this in another post about associations recently)? Dear jesus I love ISY. it just makes sense to me on a level that most of the others don't. Its clean, it doesn't require a ton uf coding background, its logic is godly... but I feel like I am in my favorite room looking out the window at magic happening, and I am being told that most of what I can't do is actually standard. Sorry if this is venting, I am trying to get off the Insteon smack and move to the Z-wave/Zigbee/Smartthings/integrations/node servers methadone and the speed bumps are making me twitchy. Love you... take my money on whatever the next thing is.

Thanks, I am pretty much at that point. Maybe its just a fluke and I got a bum. Appreciate the response.

So, this is happening to me too. I read through to the end of this thread and never found any solution. Just wondering if anyone has figured out what this might be. I love this stuff.

Thanks! Appreciate it!

My GOD @MrBill.... I KNEW IT. I knew there would be something simple and not widely documented that you would just know off the top of your head. YOU NAILED IT. It corrected itself in HA in real time. I didn't catch it till after I had added both a program and a variable of each type, so I can not confirm at what point it got what it needed, but it required no removal/reinstall of the integration.... just fired right up. You saved me from wandering around in the dark and pits of HA and UD forums for a wild goose. You re my hero.

MrBill, MrBill!! Sorry couldn't help it. Thank you so much. I loaded two insteon devices, linked them together in a scene, and added a Zwave device... I figured it was a bad idea to try and figure it out empty. I got everything working as far as that's concerned.... I have NOT "moved" the node server part of polisy to the IoP, its still running as a node server on the ISY994. The HA found the Polisy right away, but I tried every combination of IP and TLS in the configuration and it does the same error every time regardless.... The ISY994 loaded everything into HA no issue with all the same settings. I opened both admin panels and compared settings, and the portal and checked there... just don't know what's throwing the issue. Thanks again, anything else I should include that would help I am ready to provide... sorry I'm awkward and make typos... imma spectrum-ish dyslexic type.

@MrBill, I have to admit I am hoping you are the knight to my rescue on this... 80)

Woooooowwwww.... Love! Any rough guesses when such a monster might be available?

Hi there, I decided to try my hand at home assistant integration of my ISY994 AND my ISY on Polisy. I had a Polisy for a long time, and now setting up to make the transition, and decided to try HA at the same time.... the issue is that HA will connect with the ISY994 with no problem, but is returning "Retrying setup: Invalid XML response from ISY; Ensure the ISY is running the latest firmware: ISY Could not parse response, poorly formatted XML." on the Polisy instance. I have, with no small amount of help form people on this board, managed some over-my-own-head fixes in the past and am hoping theres something someone already knows about this that might help me. Thanks... P.S If its something complicated but doable, I would be happy to pay for the time/expertise it may take.

I just want to say what has, I'm sure, already been said so many times... MrBill is just the bestest on every level possible. I rarely even know what's going on, but the amount he puts into trying to help people out is just staggering. A dying breed.

Found this: Haven't tried it. Maybe it will help.

Hi, all... Update 2: After 2 different Firmware files Zooz sent me.... Boom. It works. I have to say their service is amazing even if their peices are not the top quality of some others. I hope everyone is having a good thanksgiving, and I hope, at least my rambling narrative serves someone else own the line. UPDATE: Since below the line, I went ahead and upgraded to the most current build 5.3.4 (considering the Forum post was with 5.3.0 and I realized right after I hit send it may be my firmware...) That said, while a complete scratch process with he Zen27 did lead to new "multilevel options" as well as the "Add/Refresh Button Press Node" button that was missing (because I ha not upgraded) it made no difference in behavior. It added some more "grouped devices" but the behavior is all the same, no matter the combinations of settings or the included "devices" in programs. The button just dont trigger. Hoping I am just missing something else, but with now the firmware upgrades on everything involved and the variety of settings/programs I just am at a loss as to what it could be. I tried it with another Zen 27 after the upgrade, some thing, and none of the Zoos switches (as opposed to dimmers) I use have this problem.... so maybe its just this model and I am wasting my time but if anyone sees something I dont (a seriously likely possibility) I would be forever in your debt.... ________________________ I have been busy at work expanding my Z-wave and of run into a problem with the Zen27 Dimmer. the issue resembles what was discussed in this closed forum topic The Zen27 (and I tried three of them, and contacted their CS and got a driver update, and did that driver update, and tried it on separate Zen27s, and did so right next to the controller and tried multiple parameters and isy zwave customer zwave button setting) does not cause the ISY to respond from a button press. The Query works fine when pressed, and when you make a change to the ISY the switch works as expected. The Event viewer DOES show the below when pressed: Wed 11/24/2021 09:50:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW031_1] [20/03] Basic Report val=0x0A ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x1F Wed 11/24/2021 09:50:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW031_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x1F Wed 11/24/2021 09:50:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW031_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x1F But this appears to lack the ST100 and other lines that would update the status. No combination of isy program "if's" are triggered by the buttons either, so theres no work around. Now in this forum post I included above, they talk about what sounds like this issue, and that the solution is the "Add/Refresh Button Press Node" button, but this button does not seem to exist in my isy which is a matching Firmware/UI 5.0.16b IR/Pro. So... ::deep breath:: as not a complete nube, but not advanced by any measure, what am I missing? And if it is an issue thats not my own level of dumb, has anyone found a solution or run in to the same problem? Secondary note, while I tried multiple Zen27's and got the same result (what a week) I have multiple Zen26's (switches not dimmers) that report perfectly fine and show the additional lines in Event viewer. Thanks as always you crazy cats.

Thank you! Sorry it took me so long to respond., At first it was a dialog box that was popping up only occasionally, and that lead me to the event view (I am somewhere just under intermediate with the tech stuff so I don't spend a lot of time there to know what I am looking at) and saw that it was spamming that message anytime it did anything. Also, yes, my UI and firmware match, that you for that tip. But I think I figured out what was going on between your response and now. So I left my admin console open for a few hours and just let things go, and found that along with the error message stated originally, SOMETIMES there was a Z-WAVE communication error message. After I saw this happen a couple times, and saw that it was the same device, I removed it. That was it, no more error message. My barely educated theory is that this thing was, for some reason, spamming signal traffic at the isy, and the isy was not in solid contact with the device, and the errors was getting where the isy repeatedly trying to log the spamming messages but continually getting interrupted by more messages and contact losses. I mean, I dont know, but the removal of that device SEEMS to fixed the issue. So I guess I will just roll with it. Thanks a lot for your time in thinking about it for me.

Hi, While everything seems to be working for the most part, my event viewer is being spammed with this message "[FileOpen ] Open failed for [/LOG/ERRORA.LOG] (a)" in between all the other messages that look normal. Sometimes a dialog box pops up and includes this message, but the event viewer has more lines of this than anything else combined. Again, it seems like everything is functioning, AND I was able to make a backup (which I saw in an earlier string that included this message should Not be possible if it is my SD card) I am on a isy zwave ir/pro about 2 years old with original SD card and I am running 5.0.16B. Any suggestions on how to "fix" whatever is happing here. Thanks as always!

Thank you sooo much. The programs and scenes did it! Thank you! I was confused because the options boxes behaved like so many other things that would update right there. But you open a very intriguing door for me... I might have not explained myself very well, I tend to have that issue... I dont know how to pull apart what you said as far as the Cloud vs Local. I have a Polisy, and I have downloaded a number of node servers from the store that is (Or that I perceive to be) on a cloud. Then (as far as I understand) they are installed locally on my actual polisy. So maybe that store is the cloud version, or maybe its local version, but I couldn't tell from your explanation which one I am using because I am just not 100% "up on the lingo." I CAN say that I have access (as far as I know) to one store, through my Polisy, that has about 112 node servers I can choose and install without knowing any code (which is lucky because I know fairly little) so am I asking a much more complicated question when I ask "so how to I get into the "local options" or the "other store?" I mean, If there are more Ecobee node servers, and I have the needed hardware between my Polisy and ISY, then unlocking the achievement of a different NodeServer store sounds like a win! I appreciate your time very much.

Hi, Thanks!, I am using Insteon_UD994 V5.0.16b, ITs an IR Pro with Z-wave, and a Polisy Pro thats says "Version 2.2.13 and Frontend Version 2.2.9-5" The Ecobee node server is the one in the store.... I have not graduated to installing things through local means (I am still working on making fire with rocks and sticks comparatively to that. Hope that helps. As far as what Ia m doing, its the same with everything. I was specifically just trying to change the mode from heat to off, but after a moment of "system busy" it just set the mode back to heat and never changed the node at all. The same ended up being the case for any other change I tried (i.e change temp setting, ect...) I dumped the node server and rebooted everything and reinstalled the node server and it was the same. I am not great with the programming (sulu, terminal) stuff so thats the extent I was able to trouble shoot. And then I thought "I wonder if its more for triggers rather than being manipulatable itself, and that is useful enough hat its possible... so maybe I should ask before fumbling around with it." Thanks for the response.

Hi again. So I have the Ecobee server and its reporting wonderfully and accurately, but I (or more appropriately my ISY) attempts to make a change, it just says system busy for a moment and then just resets the (in this case) mode to whatever it was previous to the change. Is this a known thing, meaning is this NodeServer more for monitoring, or is is supposed to update the devices and mine is in need of coooorrrection? Thanks

I know the good folks here at UI are busy at work getting the Polisy ready to take on ISY as a standard, and I know that they are getting close to Z-wave functionality on the version of ISY they have pushed out to lucky guys like me who had broken PLM's and they got me back up and running with some direction. My Question is this: Does the Polisy have the Z-wave hardware? I mean if not, I will happily go through whatever process I need to, but I am wondering if there is already a Z-Wave controller on board thats just not active yet. And secondary question: Are there any other goodies (hardware or software) in my Polisy PRO that just dont have active uses yet or are just not active? Thanks!

I don't mean that... You're a fine man for whom I have nothing but respect and admiration... But holy hell.

I am with you... but this narrative that I took jabs is the issue. Its a misreading of the plot. I took no jabs at the tech or UD. I was using a counter argument for why peoples answers where not actually answers by asking "why would X be said if it wasn't true" meaning it was true and they were mistaken... not as a statement that they were untrue. Its just silly what's happened here.

I appreciate your sentiment. A good egg you are.

This is true. I didn't see the response. It was not unhelpful. But again, my critiques were not of the tech. Just the opposite. I was saying "why would UD have hardware and advertise" or "why would there be gits" as an agreement for why IT MUST BE POSSIBLE.... Aimed at people that were either flat out saying it wasn't or just directing me to the store.... That said, as I have yet to critique the tech our UD, let me start now why I have your ear... I get it may be an advanced machine meant not for the likes of me, but now that you mention it, it was pretty much sold with he concept of ease of use. I mean, I used the serve side and the store without difficulty so I am not completely ignorant fo the thing, and taught the hardware because it appeared to promise at least minimal access with relative ease to more than the store did. (note why the store continually be thrown at me as a solution is frustratingly circuitous.) As it turns out, there is very little more available with he hardware, and anything beyond that requires, I come to find out here, a notable amount of "not ease." And real documentation or guides are a thing no one has apparently invented yet. Add to that the fact that the forum has presented me with three distinct avatars with various names. 1: those that have no idea what they are talking about (which at times I include myself) who just keep replying "go to the store" 2: People who flat out state that the complication level is too much to bother talking to a "nube" about, making the concept of a forum silly unless its the same 10 people just holding court (which seems apparent upon perusal. and 3: Mods or VIP's that may or may not follow the plot, but hop all over erudite opportunities to miss the plot enough to excuse not really answering anything beyond a generic google search. I own 3 ISY's, and have been using them for years. Love it. Polisy sounded great. Maybe it is... apparently there are only a few people allowed to know.