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Ok thanks to all. I consider all problems now solved. 1) I needed to reinstall Java 8 by downloading from Java website because it wouldn't update. I did not need to remove Java first. 2) I needed to download new Start.jnlp from U-D forum. Since the icon it makes (when cache cleared) depends on a later macOS version, I could get admin.jnlp instead for a faster startup (but no big deal IMO). 3) I needed to click the lock on Preferences Security page to run Start.jnlp the first time. 4) There is no problem with 4.9.0, the version of Firmware and UI that I already had. In fact it's the last version compatible with the earliest Zwave modules (300 series) if I happen to find one of those. Otherwise I'm going to wait until I can buy the next U-D package that includes Zwave or other protocol that I decide I'm going to migrate to. In the meantime the price of used Insteon modules on ebay has fallen from ridiculous scalping to normal or less.

I obtained the "Insteon_5.3.4.zip" file which is apparently what I use to do the upgrade using the "Manually Update ISY". But will that update the UI as well? There is no mention of updating UI separately in anything I've yet found in forum or wiki

Geddy: I have firmware 4.9.0 and UI 4.9.0, apparently the latest in the 4.x series. I am not having any "issues" at this point, only the slight inconvenience of using Start every time, which apparently I can bypass by getting the Admin module instead. I do not have Z-wave but my whole interest in upgrading was because I need to start adding Zwave capability soon because I cannot obtain any more Insteon modules. So I have no way to expand w/o upgrading. However, the Z-Wave module for ISY994i is still unavailable, so it's pointless now. I have long been thinking I'd upgrade to Policy, but I won't do so until I can also get Z-wave module for that, which is still out of stock. But if I upgrade to 5.x now, perhaps I'll be better prepared to upgrade to Policy when the combined package is available.

OK, so then it sounds like I should be able to upgrade my ISY994i to the latest firmware and it will run ok and present the console on 10.13.6, which btw is the last macOS that still runs 32 bit applications.

Now the biggest remaining issue is that I must run "start.jnlp" each time because I do not have macOS 10.15 or higher. This does not seem like much of an inconvenience. I click on Start and then I select Console from the pulldown and it starts. OR am I missing something in the later version that I'd see if I could see if run ISY Launcher, a fancier console or something??? Also I need to upgrade my ISY which I guess I should have no fear of doing because I have the latest Java on my computer now. Just need to find the ISY download page.

Tonight I found what I was looking for wrt Java at java.com. They indeed do say that if the Update hangs (which they say happens for some versions of macOS 10.9, but I have 10.13.6) you should re-install by hand. They do not say that you have to remove the old version first. Then I found this download page which worked, and I downloaded and installed Java 8 Update 341. Now when I open Java Preferences and go to the update page, no more spinning wheel, it says I have the latest version. And I can still run ISY from Start.jnlp (as I noted before, the ISY Launcher requires macOS 10.15 or higher). Java Download Page (english)

Ok, I deleted ALL the cache files, then ran Start.jnlp, and I got the "ISY Launcher" on my Desktop. However, when I open ISY Launcher I get the message: You have macOS 10.13.6. The application requires macOS 10.15 or later. If I update my mac to 10.15 I will lose about half of the programs I rely on.

My Mac OS is 10.13.6.

My Java is version 8 Update 331 (build 1.8.0_331-b09) I believe it is not up to date because when I run Start.jlnp I see this messages in lines 3 and 4 of the Java Console. Using JRE version 1.8.0_331-b09 Java HotSpot (TM) 64-bit server JRE Expiration date: 8/19/22 12:00 AM ******** I have run start.jlnp several times and I see no option that says "make ISY launcher" and it apparently has not been made on my desktop or elsewhere. It does have buttons for Add, Refresh, Save, and Load. I *used* to use a the ISY Admin Console from 2017 but that stopped working this month which was what motivated me to report the situation here. Looking at the ISY Finder dialog again, I see it says my ISY version is 4.9.0. Do I need to update that also and should I update my Java first?

Thanks! It works now but I'm still worried that my Java is out of date, and also that my ISY is out of date, and I'm unable to update either one. I already did have the "App Store and identified developers" box marked. When I open up the General tab in the Security and Privacy preferences page, that particular section of the page is greyed out, but I can see that the "App store and identified developers" box IS checked. There is no box for "unidentified developers" btw. But it does seem to make a difference if I click the lock to open the General tab, enter my password, and THEN run Start.jnlp (actually it's Start (2).jnlp because I have two previous versions). I'm then told that my Java is out of date. The first time I got to this dialog, it said my Java was out of date. So I clicked on Update in this dialog and then it just crashed. I started over again and this time I did not select the "update" option but instead the "run" option. That brings up the ISY Finder. I click on the first line and a pop up menu appears giving me a choice of running the Administrative Console and something else. I choose the Administrative Console and I'm up and running again. Now when I go back to Start (2).jlnp and run it again, it no longer complains about my Java being out of date, it skips that part, so I can't try it again. It brings me to the page about trusting this developer and I click Run and it runs. So I'm worried that my Java is still not updated and that could cause problems if I try to upgrade ISY When I try to "Manually Update" ISY, it asks me to select a file. Where do I get this file and will it be compatible with my "old" Java (Version 8 Update 331) on my Mac or do I need to remove and reinstall Java to get a later Java version on my Mac first and how do I do that? (As I said in original message, If I try to update Java through the Mac's Java Preferences page, the circle just spins forever. Apparently if I need a newer Java I will have to remove the old one and reinstall the new one and I haven't found out how to do that reading the Java website.)

On Mac, I had been using the ISY994i Admin Console for years, including a few months ago. The one I have is dated August 27, 2015. The ISY994 Dashboard is dated November 25, 2017. I cannot update the console via the webpage sometimes discussed because that fails too in a similar way (described further below). Both the console and the dashboard fail with "Unable to Launch Application." It doesn't help to use "Open" to open the application. The Details page shows "illegal URL redirect" at top of traceback list. The Java Preferences do not seem to be useful. The "About" says I have version 8 Update 331 (1.8.0_331-b09) which is from this year (but current???). When I go to the Java Update tab, I see a rotating circle that just rotates forever. Reading about Java on the Java website (never a pleasant experience) it appears that this is the only way to "Update Java. " And it is "stuck" apparently, either that or I do have the latest version, I can't tell. I went to the page to re-download the ISY Administrative Console. I click on the link https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp and it downloads. I click on the file and it says "start.jnlp cannot be opened because it is from an unidentified developer". I tried both clearing the cache and adding https://forum.universal-devices.com to the Java Exception site list and neither helped.