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Yeah, after the Restore PLM most things seem to work right. The devices I tried to control before and failed - mostly showing a red "!" now, the Write Update to Device command seemed to fix. Got a few programs that don't work though - I'll have to debug those later. Thanks again.

"Never replace your PLM while the ISY is running " - again too late!

Thanks, but now that I've already done it, is it too late? My ISY seems to have forgotten how to talk to most of the devices on its list, saying "check connections" even on hard-wired switches that haven't changed.

I'm not sure what you're saying here - that I need to replace every device because they all might have rev v9B firmware in their PLMs? I just got my new PLM this morning - v2.0 1438 v9E. I had to unplug my ISY and replug to get it to recognize the new PLM. Then, it was a long time (20-30 minutes) popping up busy dialogs. (Which I guess I should have expected - hopefully the ISY reloaded all the necessary links into the new PLM?)

Thanks for the help, guys, I didn't think to search for "All On" in the forums. Looks like this has been going on for awhile. Glad I came in on the tail end of it, where the fix appears to be in sight. I called SmartHome, and they are sending me a new 2413S, charging my credit card, which they will refund when they get the old PLM back. The gal on the phone wasn't too technical, but she did have a note mentioning the need for a firmware upgrade, and that the new PLM was "2.0". Hopefully that means it matches the "Rev 2.0, v9E, date code 1425" mentioned it the other threads. I still don't know if I need to replace the #5010Ks from SmartEnit, or the 2413U. Or if this is only a problem for the PLM that is connected to the ISY?

Ah, NM. I found the ISY order from SmartHome, 16/06/2013 I'll contact them. Thanks.

Actually, I guess the 2413U was to connect the SimpleHomeNet utility suite. But, now when I plug back in the 2413U I still can't get the utility to connect to it (so that maybe I can report it's firmware version.)

PLM Info/Status = 28.CD.FC v9B / Connected Sounds like it's way behind the vEF mentioned in the other thread. So, should I order new PLMs from SmartHome, UDI, SmartEnit, or all of the above? How do I insure they have the latest firmware?

I reported the ISY version (4.1.2) already. I tried to capture the About window but it wouldn't let me paste it here. Ah, I presume you mean the PLM the ISY plugs in to (i have a few others). Let's see, it says: 2413S V1.B 1343 I also have a 2413U plugged in, in case I want to play with HouseLinc, and it also says V1.B and 1343. The other 2 PLMs are #5010Ks from SmartEnit (for EZIOs). The one that's plugged in says "2232-233 V1,B 1335". The one I haven't plugged in yet looks older: "2233-233 V1.7 1225". Should I assume that any PLM plugged in could be causing this glitch? (Not just the one connected to the ISY?) So I may need replacements from SmartEnit as well as SmartHome?

This glitch happened for (at least) the third time this morning - suddenly EVERY Insteon device in the house turned on at the same instant. This included every light and fan, my oxygenator, and even our two garage doors opened up! (From the I/O Lincs) (I'm just glad I haven't put any space heaters or door locks on Insteon yet!) It happened twice last weekend, but I waved it off as maybe a power glitch problem, and I didn't note the exact time. This morning I was just sitting in bed, and I noted the time. When I checked the ISY log, I can't see any evidence of commands being sent that would turned on all Insteon devices. I didn't think there even was a "Turn everything one at once" command in Insteon (like there sort of is with X10). Is this a general problem with Insteon? Or is the ISY-994i screwing up some how? This so unacceptable that I may need to give up on the ISY or Insteon or both. (Firmware: Insteon_UD994 v.4.1.2)

Oh (duh!). I hadn't even thought to try that! Thanks.

My wife is used to using the 4-button X10 switch we have in the bathroom, 3 of which turn lights on and off, but the bottom rocker switch is used to brighten/dim whichever of the 3 lights that was most recently activated. And as we all know too well, the WAF is critical. I want to replace that switch with a KeypadLinc, but I don't know how to replicate the X10-style brighten/dim she is used to, but with Insteon switches. The primary load (i.e. button A = one of the 3 lights) we can brighten/dim the usual way. But I want to be able to brighten/dim the other 2 lights from the KPL, without having to walk into a different room to press the SwitchLincs directly. The KPL buttons B and C already turn the other 2 lights on/off. From the KPL (like buttons D and E, for instance) I would like to : 1. Be able to set at least the 8 or so different dim levels that the SwitchLinc does locally. 2. Be able to do that on both of the two lights. If I need something like B brightens light #1, D dims #1, C brightens light #2, E dims #2, that would be OK. Do I need to do this with an ISY program? I'm afraid that would make it too slow. Do I need to have 8 different scenes to get 8 brightness levels?

I have a KeypadLinc button and a 2477D in the same scene, both as added as Controllers (to make it work), but the ISY seems to make them both Responders as well. 1. When I press either button, the other goes on. When I press the SwitchLinc it ramps up at the 2 sec ramp rate I've set. But when I hit the KPL button, it acts like a fast on / fast off, bypassing the ramp rate. 2. If the light is on, and I press-and-hold the SwitchLinc to dim it all the way to zero, the KPL button light stays on. If I click the off position on the SwitchLinc again, then the KPL button light goes off.

No. But then everything else you said went right over my head. I've not explored the network interface, I've never done any TCP/IP programming, and I don't have those boards you mentioned or know anything about them. I do have a Beagleboard I acquired for a project that then went another direction, but I've never programmed that either. I should have mentioned I'm looking for the lowest investment in time, as well as dollars! Maybe someone can convince me that the $800 for the ELK is worth it to me, because: A. The voice announcements in the ELK are quick to trigger (from the ISY), easy to set up, and just as flexible (i.e. be able to record any custom WAV file, up to 40 messages). B. That the telephone support and many other features of the ELK add a lot of other benefit.

OK, you may be right. But that means six PLM-sized boxes to plug in. I see the I/O Linc has a pass-through (uncontrolled) outlet on top. Does that mean I can plug six of them on top of each other, making a nice stack?

The 74HC154 (4-to-16 decoders) would be the logic. (Yeah, I still think of them as TTL as well, even though that tech is almost as old as I am! ) So, the I/O Linc's don't need a PLM, because they have one built-in? But they only have one output relay each, right? Let me see - 8 I/O Linc's at $46 each is $368. I thought the EZIO8SA+PLM was the equivalent of buying 8 I/O Linc's, for half the price. And the program would have the same problem - taking a second to change each I/O Linc output would still take 5-6 seconds for my announcement to respond to a sensor change. "If the voice box can be driven from TTL the 40 relays would not be needed." Yes, the logic cuts it down from 40 relays, but I still need at least 6 relays to decode to 40 outputs.

Well, even though I have Michel and Justin (from Smartenit) in a running email discussion, I still have no other direction to move. Base problem - I want an Insteon voice annunciator, for 30+ voice announcements (so I can retire my JDS Stargate controller), and I did not want to spend $800 or more (for an ELK system). So I got an EE508VIF + EE532EXP to have up to 40 voice announcements, and it sounds pretty good. I now have 40 input contacts, and I need some way to drive just 1 at a time with an active-low pulse. So I got 3 4-to-16 decoders (74HC154), and so I figure if I can drive 4 binary encoded bits, plus 3 strobe lines, I've got it. Total parts cost so far less than $160. Adding just one EZIO8SA more than doubles the cost already. I start with an ISY program to set the 4 binary bits separately, then strobe another bit. The problem? It doesn't set all the relays reliably the way I want (so I'd get the wrong announcement), and it runs very slow. Seems like each line takes a second, so my voice announcement would be delayed like 5-6 seconds after the triggering sensor change. Adding 5 EZIO8SAs (to drive each of 40 inputs separately), would now cost more than the ELK system. When I noticed the SHN Utility could drive all 8 bits at once, I got my hopes up. But apparently the ELK system is my only option (even though my wife says she doesn't want a security system). Or learn how to add an Insteon modem chip to my Beagle Board? Going the developer route would probably cost just as much as the ELK (not to mention I don't have that much spare time for learning).

"The ISY994i/IR PRO supports up to 1,024 devices and scenes and a maximum of 1,000 programs." So I do not expect to be limited to just 8 scenes. I would be most upset.

Thanks, ELA. (Technically, there would be 256 possible output combinations with a 8 relay outputs. But I understood what you meant. ) But I could not follow what is was that you did (from that other thread) that worked for you. I don't know how to make manual links with the Utility.

I'd like to have an ISY program set all 8 output relays in an EZIO8SA with a single command. The Simplehomenet Utility Suite knows how to send a whole hex byte at once to the 8SA. There's a Port Value (HEX) button and field that I can use to set all 8 bits at once. But the Event Viewer on the ISY doesn't seem to be able to catch what is being sent by the Utility Suite. I set the port hex value to 3C, and the Insteon Traffic tab of the Utility Suite says it sent: 17 from ID:28:AD:E4 flags: 2B cmd1:48 cmd2:3C Is there any way I can replicate that command (cmd1=48, cmd2=xx, preferably where the hex pattern xx comes from a variable), from an ISY program?

Huh, OK. That would be two new things to learn, then. But doesn't a "web server" mean a PC, one that has to be up and running reliably all the time? I thought that was why we buy an non-PC controller like the ISY, so we don't have to depend on a PC. I was looking for something more stand-alone, like the ISY itself.

I'm trying to replace a 12-year old Stargate controller, which did have voice announcement. When I search here or on SmartHome, all I see is the ELK system. Is there any way to add voice announcements to the ISY without paying $1000 for an ELK system?

OK, added "http://192.168.0.2" to the Java network exceptions list (it wouldn't accept just "192.168.0.2"), and that got my Admin Console 4.0.5 working. Thanks! Support sent me the instructions to upgrade to 4.1.2, but that started with "start Admin Console and ...". Since wasn't able to start Admin Console, I had a catch-22! But now that I have it running, I will upgrade. And learn how to make a backup of my programs! O_O

When I press Admin Console button in the browser, I get the "Do you want to run this app" pop up, I say Run, then I get "Error click for detail" in the browser. Clicking gives Security Exception popup "Missing required Permissions manifest attribute in main jar:http//192.168.0.2/web/insteon.jar". Details button gives: Resource http://crl.globalsign.net/root.crl has future expires: Thu Feb 13 08:54:25 MST 2014 update check skipped. Missing Application-Name manifest attribute for: http://192.168.0.2/web/insteon.jar Java Plug-in 10.51.2.13 Using JRE version 1.7.0_51-b13 Java HotSpot Client VM User home directory = C:\Users\Owner ---------------------------------------------------- c: clear console window f: finalize objects on finalization queue g: garbage collect h: display this help message l: dump classloader list m: print memory usage o: trigger logging q: hide console r: reload policy configuration s: dump system and deployment properties t: dump thread list v: dump thread stack x: clear classloader cache 0-5: set trace level to ---------------------------------------------------- Ignore and Reload buttons don't get me anywhere. And yes I tried rebooting my computer! (Win7)