frustratednon-geek

Rand, you had it initially. For some reason I didn't take this statement to heart: "But if you put both buttons, as controllers, into one scene then they should follow each other and you won't need any programs." I was trying too hard. All I had to do was put the two buttons in a scene together as controllers and it worked fine! (even though I don't use that scene for anything else). I ended up erasing all of that other code. Thanks, sorry I didn't read carefully. The first time.

Thanks Rand, but it still doesn't work. I've tried separating and isolating the command to turn Stairs KPL H off but nothing from any program I create, commanding that scene (KPL H) off, will work. It's very odd because the buttons will respond to program commands to turn the button on, but refuses to listen to commands to turn off in any iteration. Yet when I go into the Main console and manually turn off the KPL button's scene, it responds. This ISY seems to pick and choose when it will behave, and there seem to be software issues within the admin console that do not obey commands. Does anyone have any idea what is causing this kind of disobedience? A reset? Now I'm back to frustrated.

I have 2 KPL's, one at the top of stairs, one at garage-level. I want the KPL H button on both to inhibit the motion sense programs, so if we want to override the motion sense program we can. The buttons work independently of each other now, but I want the LED's to show status of the other, etc. I tried to put a program like Darrell had for "All Off with status" First I designed 2 scenes, one for each KPL's Status Light: 'Stairs KPL H' 'LR KPL H' I broke each KPL into 2 programs; LR H LED On, LR H LED Off, Stairs H LED On, Stairs H LED Off. The programs look like: (Enabled) If Status 'LR KPL H is Off And Status 'Stairs KPL C' is On Then Set Scene 'Stairs KPL C LED Status' Off (Enabled) If Status 'LR KPL H' is On And Status 'Stairs KPL C' is Off Then Set Scene 'Stairs KPL C LED Status' On Then the same two programs for the Stairs LED (Enabled) If Status 'Stairs KPL C' is Off And Status 'LR KPL H' is On Then Set Scene 'LR KPL H LED Status' Off (Enabled) Status 'Stairs KPL C' is On And Status 'LR KPL H' is Off Then Set Scene 'LR KPL H LED Status' On Doesn't work. Any ideas?

Thanks Ulrick. I think at that price I'll just use that SWR I had lying around and buy a relay. Thanks for the help!

Okay, I kind of figured. The only problem is, If I put in the IR program to turn on scene A, and turn off Scene b, c, d, etc., it issues the commands in sequence. So it turns on A, then if one of the others was lit, it turns it off and cancels Scene A as well (the other buttons in the KPL all happen to control the same set of devices in varying on-levels). If I put the off commands before the on, it takes about 5 seconds to make it through all the shutoffs and then finally turn on Scene A. I'm using the 8-button KPL...

I currently have a paddle switch in place for my fake log fireplace. It completes the circuit from the thermocouple to the gas valve. Obviously we're talking about millivolts which are generated from the pilot light so I believe the easiest way to integrate this switch into the Insteon systme is to use a relay coupled to a SWR. Does Smarthome sell this relay or a SWR that completes a circuit independent of the load? Should I find something at Radio Shack and just wire it up in the box?

I've just gotten done programming my ISY-99IR Pro with my remote to control two KPL's on the 1st floor. Even though the KPL's have Mutually exclusive selected--and this works perfectly when using the KPL itself--when I use the IR to trigger the buttons do not behave as though mutually exclusive. I tried a workaround by writing a program to turn all other buttons off upon activation of the selected, but it takes too much time to execute. Any ideas on how to make these buttons behave as though mutually exclusive when using the IR remote to trigger?

Wow. Great info. I had no idea about this. So effectively switching off the circuit breaker would do the same thing. Thanks a bunch for your help.

Interesting. You're describing exactly what I was experiencing with the secondary button causing the load to go to the local on-level--unless I tricked it with a program triggered by the secondary... Regarding the ramp rate, interesting as well. I did not know this was a limitation. I thought my other sld's were taking the adjusted on levels and ramp rates simply by programming int he admin console. But what you're saying is I have to pull the gap and then restore the device from the console to get it to take the change?

You're welcome Darrell. You really helped a ton. And ulrick65 your lengthy post proved invaluable. While I had done a factory reset in the shell and factory resets on all the dimmers, I hadn't erased all the devices and re-acquired them. The result was a mess. Lights were coming on and off all over the place like a disco in response to my all off program. It was only because my wife was there laughing that I didn't absolutely freak out. In any case, I started fresh by erasing everything in the Admin console as you suggested Ulrick, and was up until 1:00 in the morning last night setting up new scenes in my kitchen and living room. My wife and I finally woke up this morning to warm tiles in our bathroom! What a feeling... but it ain't over yet. I've been having a hell of a time with scene construction around a 6 button KPL. We'll see if it's just defective when I program the other one, but I had to write a program to isolate the KPL load from the rest of the buttons (a,b,c,d). What I want is for the 'ON' button to execute a scene with about 6 loads all on 100%, including the KPL's load. But when I press the 'A' button I want it to execute that scene, which includes bringing the KPL's load down to 0%. No matter what I do, setting the scene with the KPL's load at 0%, 1%, etc. it doesn't care and just leaves the KPL load at 100%. The worst part is, it only has this problem with button 'A' on the controller. The rest of the buttons will affect the KPL's load as I specify in the scene. I think it's a defective KPL, but nonetheless, it got me pretty hot and bothered. I also have three other sld's that are misbehaving. One refuses to accept the local ramp rate I program through the admin console, the other two are permanently linked to each other--closet lts and master chandelier. I have factory reset both dimmers, de-linked them, re-linked them, restored the devices in admin, deleted the devices and re-linked them in the admin... nothing works. One thing I noticed is that the closet sld's address is oddball, like 11.11.11.11 or something. I think it just needs to be returned. It doesn't help to have defective equipment to throw you off when you're just barely grasping the concept in the first place! In any case, I'm sure I'll get it worked out. Next thing to tackle are the two motion sensors that finally arrived. I think I better have a few glasses of wine just in case things don't go well... would hate to throw anything across the room!

Wow, thanks for your reply ulrick65. I did call tech support and spoke with Darrel yesterday and you are correct--unbelievable support. He was extremely professional, listened, sided with me on my frustration--support just doesn't get better than this. I actually logged into my shell and did a factory reset while I was waiting for him to call back. You're right, probably didn't need to, and now I lost my 3:00 AM query and I can't figure out how to get it back. Other than that, everything is up and running and working perfectly. Well, I can't say perfectly. During the remodel I did a lot of manual tap-linking and then swapping out of dimmers, etc. I am now in the process of factory resetting each dimmer because for some reason the File/restore ISY function does not reliably wipe out existing links (I still have some oddball links that won't go away). In any case, this seems like a simple fix, just factory reset each dimmer and then restore so the ISY reprograms the dimmers I've constructed in the Admin Console. I'm still struggling with the concept of 'else' and 'not off/on.' I've had my best results by copying programs thunk up by minds far greater than mine in this forum (especially the all-off button). Maybe it's my sales background, but I just have trouble thinking in rule-based language. In sales, no can mean yes if you just keep pestering Thanks for your reply, and thanks a million Darrel. I'll be a non-frustrated geek in no time.

I love the ISY99i but NOTHING I program works. I've searched these forums for hours and can't find any basic info. You guys are all way over my head. The events are saved and all appears well but nothing seems to execute. Even the simplest commands do not execute, such as: If BR Lights not On and time is 11:15AM then turn BR lights on I sit there staring at the light as 11:15 AM rolls around and NOTHING HAPPENS! I tried programming my porchlight to go on at sunset and off at sunrise the next day, nothing. NOTHING WORKS in the programming tab. As you can see by my screaming caps I am at my wits end and I now remember why I absolutely hate working with programming, even on its simplest level with a beautiful GUI like this. I'm obviously missing something. I have almost no background in programming (other than TRS-80 and TI-99 classes I took when I was 10). But why should I? If then statements and the intuitive dropdown menus should be self explanatory... I did add the ISY 99i after I had painstakingly manually tap-linked multiple scenes throughout the house and I saved existing links when I searched for devices. I read somewhere this creates a rats nest but for the life of me I can't find ANYWHERE on this forum or wiki how to do a full reset. I'd like to do a total system reset and start fresh but I have searched what seems like EVERY CREVICE of this damned forum and cannot find any step by step explanation of how I'm supposed to do this. Is everyone on here an expert? Has no one stumbled with this system and asked a basic freakin' question? Isn't there a forum that just has some basic programming examples so I can copy them verbatim? Can someone point me in the right direction? I just want to wipe everything clean and start over, both on the ISY and on all the devices (about 30 switchlinks and about 8 kpl's). Sorry for the rant, I'm JUST pissed that I spent $3K on this system that doesn't do anything I ask it to, and 10's of hours raking through this forum only to find advanced q & a's that are totally over my head. Help this C-student out!