SirParadox

I agree that if I remove, reset, restore, I’ll just get the bogus links back from isy. So my question is if I remove, reset, restore ‘Device A’ that has a bogus link to ‘Device B’, won’t B just push the link back? Do you all think I need to do resets on both ends? Sucks, but dooable.

So that worries me. 'Delete all involved devices'. I finally got my admin tool to work after a PC reinstall and java cert issues. thank you start.jnlp. So I have a Family Room Overhead, dimmer. It's in ZERO scenes. ZERO programs. yet. it likes to turn on C of the keypad next to it. Recently I noticed when my dad manually turned on the Driveway Flood, the overhead in the fam came on. so I looked at its config in ISY. nothing. not a controller of anything, not a responder of anything. I downloaded its links, and used the python isylib to export all my devices and HW addrs. === FamilyRoom 24.DF.7B -> 2A.92.C6 FF Yard.Master -> 3D.96.1C 01 NO SUCH DEVICE -> 2A.92.C6 03 Yard.Master.A - Driveway -> 2B.2A.B9 03 Yard Back Deck -> 2E.98.78 03 Kitchen Lamp === Yard.Master is the keypad in the garage. ON/OFF triggers the overnight lights. A-B-C-D are just quick links to other dimmers that are hard to reach nearby (Front porch, Front walkway, Front mailbox, Back laundryroom) ... no real function just for fun really and to make it easier. Yard Back Deck, is also the FamilyRoomKeypad(C or D) that gets triggered! Yard.Master.A is in a scene with Yard.Driveway. And somehow it's triggering the Fam overhead. So there is a ton of 'crap' in here. NO clue how it got here. I thought that if I delete an item. Add it manually. Reprogram it, what happens to the inverse links? You suggested delete all involved. Sigh. That's my fear. I can do it, but I don't like it. I don't like the fact these links are not visible in the UI, but clearly exist in the 'Diag show isy links'. Just as I was thinking of my reply another ghost got crazier, almost a polterguest. A billion years ago I coded my first 3 keypads with a 'program' that 'If this device is off, And this device is triggered to go off, Turn off all buttons and linked items' and the inverse 'If this device is on, And this device is triggered to go on, Turn On all buttons and linked items'. This was a neat trick to have a quick and dirty 'gimme all lights in this area' as in 'double click on/off'.. For whatever reason that program has been deleted 10 years ago. Yet my Kitchen, might have 3 buttons on. But when I turn the master on/off it triggers the lights (not the devices). lol! I was just in my kitchen and I noticed my Kitchen Keypad B button blinking on/off/on/off/on/off. I have msg blink enabled, verified at a nearby device that msg's are being sent. Quick came to my pc, went to isy, debug, events, all, and nada. Sigh! So... This is crazy. I'm wondering if I should just basically 'format and re-install'. It would SUCK ARSE. But the fact that my Family Overhead, has ZERO scenes, ZERO programs, but is somehow linked to my garage? and even my kitchen lamp (a device/scene I havn't touched in 10 years, yet I replaced via delete-add the overhead) so how the hell? I just wish the ISY debug could decode the x10 packets telling me in english what they mean, let me select them or save-edit-load and 'are you sure? are you really sure? Yo, you REALLY sure?' YES ! So best advice at this point. Sorry for the TL;DR... I love insteon (x10). 100x better then any z-wave insanity but omFg this is nuts! Thx :)

Ever since I first deployed insteon my first two ever switches have had odd ghosts in the machine. One is a simple on/off for the back porch. Next to it is a multi button dimmer. The main is the family room light. A is one corner lamp Linq, b is another, C is to a micro on/off in the basement for Cide yard, and D is another micro on/off for a deck light. for some reason the independant on/off also tiggers C on the other. Sometimes D. I have replaced both a few times but the problem returns. This past week I did a debug, show isy links. In there is a set of repeating hex, where the next 3 hex on one line is the same ID as the side yard, and the other the deck, and the third an unknown item. Those links do not belong. The on/off switch is part of no scenes or programs. They also appear nowhere in the controller/responder list in the isy app. is there any way to directly edit these links? I can delete and re-add the switch, but won’t the link come back from the other direction? I also checked my kitchen switch which ‘turns off all buttons when the on/off is toggled’ which is a very ancient, deleted program, that I coded that on double off click turn off all buttons but that program is long gone. I’d really hate to delete and reconfigure that from scratch. But I can if I have to. im just wondering how can I have these renegade links, but not visible in the admin console, and nowhere to say download, edit, load, etc the config? thx on advance.

Your not going to believe this. Side story: Ok, sister calls me Sunday, her home network is dead since a power outage, cable tech is there, she just asks for help, I open the unifi cloud app, and her network comes up. Then the tech did a ‘pinhole reset’ on my unifi router and blew it up. So she just asked, and it worked.. typical.. Now. Today, all day, same results as I posted with my isy. However just now I goto http://192.168.1.195/desc and shizam, I see isy lingo. I open my admin Java app, shizam works, … All I did was ask for more ideas, and like all tech, it got scared and worked. I have changed no settings, I have not power cycled it… it did not work a few hours ago, for a few weeks, and now it does. This has got to be the matrix and us network techies are some virus the system is afraid of. I guess I should take a backup, then find someone to sell me one of these shiny newer polisy models, which are still not available? I’ll open a new thread about upgrading, pros, cons, etc.

sorry for the delayed response to your help. Went to the ER for severe allergies, couldn’t breath, turns out it’s congestive heart failure, heart only functioning 20%, and now I have my own defibulator vest, so I was out of pocket, lol! When I say I can’t reach any port.. I mean any tcp port, 23, 80, etc. I removed the static IP dhcp assignment from my router, rebooted the isy. My switch shows it connected, and my router shows 192.168.1.195, the expected IP. The ISY still operates my evening inside, and overnight outdoor scenes. However I am unable to icmp ping it, connect via a web browser, or the admin launcher, or manually reach port 80. I even went to far as to add a static ARP on my windows pc for it, and still nothing. sadly my last backup is just before I went into the attic and fixed, added, 3 insteon remote wire in modules Burried under the attic flooring. So reverting to that backup will not be fun, dooable, but not fun. so, any more ideas before I factory reset? With the failed network tests, I pondered even having it direct connect to a hub and my pc would probably not gain any results. it’s on a surge protector, behind a ups, behind a surge protector, on a whole panel surge protected, but we have had 3 or so odd neighborhood power blips.

The local admin console does not detect it as usual. I tried adding http and https :// 192.168.1.195 and got nothing. As for the isy portal, I use MobiLinq and it does not see the isy. Oddly it’s doing it’s AM and PM jobs. The switch shows connected. The router shows a dhcp allocation. Yet no ping or remote action. If I reset it to factory, and restored, sadly I’d be a few big changes back but that’s ok. At this point is there anything I can do to wake it up? Or do I need to do some factory reset?

And yes I confirmed the switch and IP on my unifi switch.

So I have a brand new problem. My ISY was acting funcky, not turning off all the nightly outdoor lights. Power cycled it. It’s working now, but I can’t ping or reach any port. Any idea how to debug?

I do have the isy, and the latest (ordered online) zwave module. Should I replace it with a polisy?

I see you said polisy hardware….. I want to update my isy 994. Is polisy a different piece of hardware?

So I was working toward getting a node.js + ambient weather going... and I decided to check latest firmware. I see I am running v5.3, and v5.5 is out. I also see v** has been renamed to Polisy. I read the docs on how to upgrade to 5.5, and they appear to cover just polisy. The suggestion of going to Configuration -> Update does not exist. I only have one option anywhere, thats to manually update firmware. I tried to look for perhaps 5.4 as some middle-ware. Couldn't find it. Does anyone have a simple howto on how to go from v5.3.2 (On my Isy994i) to the start or latest polisy? Thanks in advance!

I know the weather module went away awhile ago. And no I havnt been using anything since. Basically, it hasn’t snowed then iced in a few years so it didn’t matter. This year it did and I’d really like to reautomate my ice melter. you mentioned how upgrade from the isy994. What upgrades are there? I’ll search again but I havnt seen anything new in years except the zwave board that I just upgraded.

I have a single program that looks for current temp, and percip in the last 48 hours that use to use the weather plugin, this fires my roof gutter ice melt. What do folks recommend for a replacement?

The good thing, I guess, is I have many backups. So I might try the newer upgrade and see if that works better. Rinse. Repeat..

I thought 5.2 wqs latest. I’ll upgrade to 5.3, and redo all the zwave. Sucks that it broke, but it only makes me happier that I only use zwave for random items not core items like light switches.

Half the units are Aeotech 5 motion sensors, yes battery operated. Then I have about 6 plug in repeaters. My Firmware and UI both read the same version. Of note. A few multi sensors did appear in the list, and have details (right side) but did not break out those details (left side list)... so I can't program on say a MultiSensors.Temperature. At this point. I gather I should remove, and re-add each of them. What is the best how-to? 1. select one, up top, z-wave, remove? 2. Select it, left list, right-click, delete?

It shows v 5.2.3 I followed these steps == 1. Before moving to 5.3.0, in 4.x.x, Backup your Z-Wave Dongle and then Backup your ISY. 2. Replace the 300 Series Z-Wave board in your ISY with a 500 Series Board 3. Install 5.3.2 4. Start the Admin Console and Restore the Z-Wave dongle (will take the Z-Wave network you backed up in step 1, and writes it to the new 500 series board) 5. Do Z-Wave -> Synchronize Nodes -> Al == Also when I click on one of the devices, on the right it says "ZW002_1 - Uninitalized" How do I initalize it??

Well the major upgrade worked. Sadly all my z-wave devices, even carefully following the instructions step-by-step, all restored as unavailable or without any channels. (Late night smoke break automation ) Do I have to go through each one, remove, re-add? Any suggestions would be great, thanks!

Thank you so much, that was the exact info I needed. I did feel around the stickers but didn’t feel anything. Of course once you said look there my fingers magically found the screw.

So I finally got around to ordering and receiving my new zwave module for my isy994. There are three screws and a plugged hole. I remove the three screws and can’t open the device. I looked inside by the fourth plugged hole and there is no screw. It does not slide open. It appears as if the back, with the power port, is holding it back. any idea how to get this open without breaking it?

I have an isy 994i 1024 Ir. It use to show plus z or what not. many times I have upgraded the firmware but always scared, fear of failure, to upgrade zwave. I want to upgrade to the latest, and therefore ordered a replacement zwave addon board. Ive read many last forum posts about upgrading zwave, getting a dongle, migrating primary to it, etc. however in the latest upgrade ( It mentions “ Z-Wave migration from 4.x.x branch All Z-Wave nodes will be recreated when migrating from 4.x.x. Some nodes will have different addresses, and some devices will have a different set of nodes. In some cases, it is easier to rebuild your network rather than migrate.“ does this mean if I do a backup, I do not need to move primary or do anything funcky? it says backup zwave, how? I know how to backup my config, but how do,I backup the zwave. there are tons of posts. I’m trying to get the latest expert howto. thanks in advance !

I see where I can update the ISY firmware, but where do I obtain the latest z-wave firmware for my ISY994I/ZW?

Thanks admin. I figured out that enable internet was just a uPNP shortcut later. I have an uncommon network that does not have the classic consumer nat rules and problems as my house has a 2x /24s world routable. So I can in fact reach my home from the internet. What I might not be able to do is have the ISY or other cloud reach me without firewall adjustments. I'll verify in the deny log that I am or am not experiencing that. However. I clicked the link you followed, then to the document listed. On page 4 it shows a menu with network config. But it doesn't tell you how to get there. After re-reading the doc a few times I realize the link to the dashboard errored. Like others said it had a %20 in it when clicked. I even tried removing that but my browser did not agree with me. That's how I started down the rabbit hole of finding the links, when a copy-paste would suffice. I successfully got there, and have a shiny new cert. Thanks.

Howdy folks. I just threw my Insteon hub pro in the garbage and made the switch to a shiny new ISY994i. So far so good. In fact the isy detected so many fubar 'ghosts in the machine' scene links that explain many of my past troubles. I am unable to enable internet access. When I goto the admin console, click Help, click request/Manage SSL certificatates, it opens a new web browser window taking me to http://www.universal-devices.com/docs/ISY994%20Series%20Network%20Security%20Guide.pdf First off, the instructions there are for firmware 3.x and no screen referenced in the document even come close to mine. I used my google fu and came across some talk about Java versions. I confirmed on my Windows desktop I had several Java versions. I nuked them all, cleared the java cache, re-installed the latest. I also see many issues with firefox/chrome/etc; so I made sure to start -> run -> iexplore for my future actions. Still clicking the help->ssl button takes me to the legacy page. I started a new google and came across http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Remotely_Connect_to_Your_ISY#Creating_an_ISY_Self_Signed_Certificate this page directed me to the http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Help_Menu#Request.2FManage_SSL_Certificatespage. Now I see the cross talk in versions (99i vs 994i) ... ok.. so that explains why this page is a little different. I eventually came across a url https://www.universal-devices.com/ssl/insteon This applet reports the cert has been revoked. Just for fun I downgraded my JAVA settings to allow the app to run. I am going on a limb here, but even though the app is loading, its probably not the app I really want. But just to make sure I ran it. I was able to find my isy. I was able to click "SSL Certificate Management" and Generate. It spun its wheels for a good 10 minutes. I'm guessing this is not the right place to be. So lets go back to the beginning. I have a brand new ISY994i, up and running, firmware v4.3.26. It's on a world routable IP address. I connect to it via iexplore. I goto the admin console. I goto help. I click manage/request certs and instead of 'two apps' showing up as the docs suggest (one app, one instructions), I get just the one, with instructions, that are totally not for my version as far as I can tell... OR they are and the UI's shown in the docs are the UI that is not popping up. Any help or guidance would be much appreciated. Of note. I initially manged the ISY from a MAC OSX. Java was aok there, but any 'links' would never open, e.g. the help -> forum link; also the tools -> view log would give me permission errors on my own users home directory. So for this SSL bit I switches from my home automation 'MAC' in the garage (lol), to a plain old windows pc. If all of this fails I am pondering a fresh windows 7 vm, with just iexplore, and the latest java, and nothing else; to see what happens then.