Elburn Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Need help in setting up a 4way I have a garage with 3 2487s installed. The house door is the 2487s actually set up with the switch leg (red wire) wired in. the other 2 switchs are not using the red wire. I want all 3 to work the same when you press the on/off button at any location. Control the same load and turn on the on button when on and off button when off. I have created a scene but does not work. Do all 3 go in one scene as controlers?
oberkc Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Do all 3 go in one scene as controlers? I believe you have answered your own question. Yes, all three must be defined in the scene as controllers.
Elburn Posted May 6, 2013 Author Posted May 6, 2013 I have 2 relays that are controling high amp loads so in my scene is all the devices are set as responders not controlers... and then the following program triggers it it is workng but my ? is would it be the right way? What I want to happen is when anyone pushes the B button that all the B status Lights go on on each of the devices and the 2 relays turn on ... or off... and it should work at any switch that is in the program If Control '{HIDE ME} Bedroom - B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Study Entrance - B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch - B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage Entrance - B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage House B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Garage Hr Office -B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} His Office - B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Path Ent B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Equpt B' is switched On Or Control '{HIDE ME} Pool Side Ent - B' is switched On Then Set Scene '{HIDE ME} Security Lights Sce' On Set '{HIDE ME} Security Lights GEO' On Set '{HIDE ME} Security Lights Tas' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I have another progarm with the above but with Off commands...
oberkc Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 What I want to happen is when anyone pushes the B button that all the B status Lights go on on each of the devices and the 2 relays turn on ... or off... and it should work at any switch that is in the program it is workng but my ? is would it be the right way? If it is working, it is not "wrong", but I believe there are benefits to using a single scene, rather than two programs. Put all buttons, including those two relays powering the lights, into a single scene, all as controllers. I think you will find the response faster, more reliable, and still working in the unlikely event of a failure of the ISY or PLM. Any button in this scene that you prefer not acting as controller of the global scene, set only as a responder, rather than controller.
Elburn Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 Looks as the relays 2450 will only allow me to put them into the scene as responders not controlers. Would this still work?
oberkc Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 Looks as the relays 2450 will only allow me to put them into the scene as responders not controlers. Would this still work? Yes. If a relay can only be a responder, then there is no way for an operator to initiate a control command from that device. Responder will be fine.
Elburn Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 I think I am starting to get it. Thanks The next thing I am doing is that all my A button should function as follows They should all light up when anyone are pressed and off when done. Turn the driveway lights relay (2450) and foyer lights relay (2450) on for 10 min then shut off. This allows someone to leave and then automactily turn off those lights. And allow if they pressed this button in error to press it again and cancel shut off the relays. Currently I am doing this with the following... Would this be correct and or any better way to do it. If Control '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch - A' is switched On And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False Then Set '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch' On Set 'Foyer Walk Lights' On Set 'Driveway Lights' On Wait 10 minutes Set 'Foyer Walk Lights' Off Set 'Driveway Lights' Off Set '{HIDE ME} Foyer Switch' Off Set Scene '{HIDE ME} Foyer' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Thanks again
oberkc Posted May 7, 2013 Posted May 7, 2013 They should all light up when anyone are pressed and off when done. Like with your B buttons, I universally prefer scenes to accomplish this goal. Create a scene (I will call it "buttonA" and put all A buttons in, as controllers. Turn the driveway lights relay (2450) and foyer lights relay (2450) on for 10 min then shut off. This allows someone to leave and then automactily turn off those lights. And allow if they pressed this button in error to press it again and cancel shut off the relays. You want the IOLinc relays to turn on and off when one of the buttons A is pressed on/off? Put the relays in the same scene "buttonA". If, in addition, you want the relays (and buttons) to turn off automatically after ten minutes, create a program: if status "any button A" is on then wait 10 minutes set scene "buttonA" off else A few notes about my suggested approach: - I assumed that you wanted your two relays to come on when you press EITHER of the two A buttons. BTW, I don't believe your approach would accomplish this goal. - I assumed that program "MH Driveway Timer' is your posted program - I assumed that you wanted the two relays to go off immediately when you turn off either button A (this was not clear to me). - there is no such thing as scene "status". Therefore, there is no program condition based on scene status. - given that all buttons A are in a single scene, all will be simultaneously on or off, never mixed status. Therefore, it should be sufficient to pick any single button A in that scene as a representative indication of scene status - the scene, itself, will take care of manually turning on, and off, the relays. The only thing you need the program for would be the automatic turning off of the lights after 10 minutes. - keypad buttons have the unique characteristic (at least in toggle mode) that it is impossible to turn on a button that is already on, or to turn off a button that is already off. Given this, I see no reason to include your second condition "And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False".
Elburn Posted May 7, 2013 Author Posted May 7, 2013 They are actual 2 diffrent programs.. the Driveway Timer is a sunset to set time program that controls the 2 relays not buttons or scenes involved.. The only reason I added that is not to override the timer off time. The Status "anybutton A" would be the name of each acutal button A so if I have 5 button A's in the scene then they would all be listed on the if part of the program with or between each?
oberkc Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 The Status "anybutton A" would be the name of each acutal button A so if I have 5 button A's in the scene then they would all be listed on the if part of the program with or between each? No. If you set up the scene as I suggested, then use any one of the five buttons. With the scene, all would by synced together, so if one is on, they are all on. They are actual 2 diffrent programs.. the Driveway Timer is a sunset to set time program that controls the 2 relays not buttons or scenes involved.. The only reason I added that is not to override the timer off time. Are you now adding the condition that the security lights only come on between sunset and sunrise, regardless of whether one presses the A button or any other condition?
Elburn Posted May 8, 2013 Author Posted May 8, 2013 I have a program/timer which turns on the 2 relays between sunset and 9 pm independent of any scene or device action. My concern is that if someone presses the A button in error durning Sunset to 9 pm lets say at 8:30 pm that it now overrides the stay on until 9pm part of the independent program and will only say on until 8:40
oberkc Posted May 8, 2013 Posted May 8, 2013 My concern is that if someone presses the A button in error durning Sunset to 9 pm lets say at 8:30 pm that it now overrides the stay on until 9pm part of the independent program and will only say on until 8:40 Nice. Then I ammend my suggested program to: if status "any button A" is on And Program 'MH Driveway Timer' is False then wait 10 minutes set scene "buttonA" off else With this approach, of course, if one turns on the lights manually at 8:59, they will still go off at 9:00.
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