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[MaddBomber83]

Hello;

 

I am having some difficulty understanding why my keypad leds are not following the status correctly. I have 2 8 button keypads and a fanlinc. Both keypads are set up the same so that my wife and I can control the office fan / light and a closet light.

 

The Office Light and Closet Light scenes work without issue. Both keypad buttons used will control and follow the lights.

 

The Fan (High/Med/Low/Off) scenes work to control the fans, but when using the buttons the LED behavior does not follow the fan status. If you hit On for the Scene in the Admin Console it works correctly.

 

2A.91.F3 - Closet Light KeypadLinc Dimmer 8 Buttons v.43

- A,B,G,H Toggle

- C,D,E,F Non-Toggle [On]

• 
  [*:144a02ek]A - Closet Light (Attached to the Load)
  [*:144a02ek]B - Office Light
  [*:144a02ek]C - Fan High
  [*:144a02ek]D - Fan Med
  [*:144a02ek]E - Fan Off
  [*:144a02ek]F - Fan Low
  [*:144a02ek]G - Spare
  [*:144a02ek]H - Spare

2A.90.AD - Office Light KeypadLinc Dimmer 8 Buttons v.43

• 
  [*:144a02ek]A - Closet Light (The Red Wire is not attached to anything)
  [*:144a02ek]B - Office Light
  [*:144a02ek]C - Fan High
  [*:144a02ek]D - Fan Med
  [*:144a02ek]E - Fan Off
  [*:144a02ek]F - Fan Low
  [*:144a02ek]G - Spare
  [*:144a02ek]H - Spare

14.D0.01 - Office FanLinc v.41

 

Example Fan - Low Scene: (On Level)

Closet - C (0)

Closet - D (0)

Closet - E (0)

Closet - F (100)

Light - C (0)

Light - D (0)

Light - E (0)

Light - F (100)

Office-Motor (Low)

 

This is the trace when pressing the button from the keypad:

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 2A.90.AD 00.00.06 CB 11 00    LTONRR (00)

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [std-Group   ] 2A.90.AD-->Group=6, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 90 AD 6]      DON   0

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 90 AD 3]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 90 AD 4]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 90 AD 5]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 90 AD 6]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 91 F3 3]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 91 F3 4]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 91 F3 5]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [  2A 91 F3 6]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [   14 D0 1 2]       ST  63

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 2A.90.AD 22.FF.06 40 11 06    LTONRR (06)

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [std-Cleanup ] 2A.90.AD-->ISY/PLM Group=6, Max Hops=0, Hops Left=0

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [iNST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 2A.90.AD 11.03.06 CB 06 00           (00)

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [std-Group   ] 2A.90.AD-->11.03.06, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Mon 04/14/2014 05:31:15 AM : [iNST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

This is the trace when turning the scene on from ISY:

Mon 04/14/2014 05:33:08 AM : [iNST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 00 00 19 CF 11 00

Mon 04/14/2014 05:33:08 AM : [iNST-ACK    ] 02 62 00.00.19 CF 11 00 06          LTONRR (00)

Mon 04/14/2014 05:33:08 AM : [  2A 90 AD 6]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:33:08 AM : [  2A 91 F3 6]       ST 255

Mon 04/14/2014 05:33:08 AM : [   14 D0 1 2]       ST  63

 

To temporarily resolve this I've set a program for each of the 4 fan states to essentially have the ISY command the scene on after 2 seconds.

If
       Control 'Office - Closet (Closet) / Office - Closet- F (Fan Low)' is switched On
    Or Control 'Office - Light (Light) / Office - Light- F (Fan Low)' is switched On

Then
       Wait  2 seconds
       Set Scene 'Office Fan - Low' On

Else
  - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

Any thoughts on what part I missed? The buttons work to turn the fan to the correct states; the scenes work to get the button LEDs to the correct states; but I don't know why the buttons are not also making the LEDs follow.

 

Thank you in advance!

[LeeG]

Click on the Red KeypadLinc button node below the Scene name. What is the On Level for the KeypadLinc buttons that should be Off? Be sure to check both Red KeypadLinc button nodes for the On Level of the other buttons.

[MaddBomber83]

Click on the Red KeypadLinc button node below the Scene name. What is the On Level for the KeypadLinc buttons that should be Off? Be sure to check both Red KeypadLinc button nodes for the On Level of the other buttons.

 

LeeG; I appreciate all the help you've been dishing my way recently.

 

I had no idea that the red items also had separate on levels from the scene load. I went through the scenes and hit Copy Scene Attributes from (Scene Name) and now it all works as expected.

 

Thank you.

[LeeG]

Happy to help.

 

Insteon supports a unique set of Responder values for each Controller. Setting the Scene Responder values covers the case where the PLM is the Controller (Scene used in Program for example). It means that each additional Controller also has to have its Responder values set as well.

[MaddBomber83]

One of the keypads was still having slight issues getting the LEDs right after making your suggested change.

 

I ended up doing a factory reset on the keypads and then used the ISY to restore the Insteon Device. After that I'm up and running.

 

I'll have to think if these separate on values may have other uses.

[LeeG]

Having separate Responder On Levels is useful when each KeypadLinc button is setting a different lighting environment. Button C could have a set of Responder On Level values for cooking dinner. The kitchen lights would be at 100% On, the primary dinning area could be Off or at a low On Level. Wall chandeliers could be Off. Button D sets the same set of Responders for dinning. Button E sets the same set of Responders to after dinner. My area is an open landscape so using different On levels for different occasions is common.