afschmitt Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I asked a few months ago for some help but I some but I wasn't quite sure how the project work. I'm back and need some help again. Last month, I posted a project in the Reddit DIY forum about how to hide a picture. http://imgur.com/a/YuuXK Now I want to add actuators and control the opening and closing of the frame. I think i've got most of the parts but I need help putting it all together. Here is what I have so far. 1. Two 18" 24V actuators http://www.sinokoko.com/index.php?_m=mo ... &p_id=1111 2. Two Insteon Micro Motor Controls http://www.smarthome.com/2444-222/INSTE ... ule/p.aspx The actuators work by reversing polarity. I am a beginner with electronics, motors, etc so please explain it to me like I am 5. Can someone help me figure out what else I need to buy and how to wire them up? Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The Micro Module is switching 120v AC from the Line connection. The post to the actuator does not work but the post says 24v AC. That will not work. Link to comment
afschmitt Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sorry, I should have been more clear. I know the two cannot be wired together but I figured it could be done using some other parts. I'm looking for a shopping list and instructions on how to do that. Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 What specific actuator is being used? The posted link does not work. Need to know the electrical load the actuator requires. Link to comment
afschmitt Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 I fixed it in the original post. Here is the link. http://www.sinokoko.com/index.php?_m=mo ... &p_id=1111 Link to comment
Brian H Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 That sales page leaves much to be desired. Are you sure it is AC? You can't reverse AC and make something reverse. Unless it has two inputs. One for each direction. Web page also says. No limit switches. So you may have to have a way to stop them at full and retracted positions. Link to comment
afschmitt Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 The Insteon controllers are 120 AC. The linear actuators are 12V DC. Link to comment
guedesluz Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Hey guys... I have a similar doubt but my actuators works with dry contact. I'm thinking about using a 2444-222 micro open/close module to activate two 120Vac relays and each relay will close the dry contact of up and down... Should work right? Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Seems OK. But no answer can be considered correct without knowing the details of what you want to accomplish. Link to comment
Jason Flippin Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 guedesluz - what actuators did you end up using? Did you get this up and running? I have a need to do something similar, so just curious. Thanks Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I did not know the actuators yet... A guy is making the whole mechanics to me and I realized that he uses a actuator with dry contact, but don't know which one... Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I just some some doubts about how would ISY controll the micro open/close module. I just see a ON and OFF commands to be used... I suppose that if I send an ON command, it will open.. and if I send an OFF command it will close. right? How could I stop it in a partly openned position? Link to comment
stusviews Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What you use depends entirely on the moving mechanism and the actuators. Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The mechanism will stop partly openned.. if I cut off the 120Vca to it.. but... wich command should be sent from ISY to do this? I just see the ON and OFF commands options... Link to comment
Teken Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The mechanism will stop partly openned.. if I cut off the 120Vca to it.. but... wich command should be sent from ISY to do this? I just see the ON and OFF commands options... I think the first thing you need to understand is that lots of answers depend upon how and what device you use and how its configured to operate. If the micro is set to latching it will apply power the entire time it is on. This is great if the device you have knows when to stop and has a limit switch etc. It does not help if it doesn't and will over drive and burn out the motor. Momentary, will apply power only when you click on the button or virtual button for what ever duration its set for in the micro module. This is great for something that doesn't have a limit switch etc. But does not help if the device is not fully extended or retracted. You need to go back to your guy and find out some details about the gear and provide some spec's. Otherwise you will get the kind of replies from Stu who is being literal to your question at hand. Wire cutters. LMAO . . . Link to comment
stusviews Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 guedeslez, the Micro Module is inappropriate for the actuators linked to at the beginning of the thread. But you have still not indicated those you have (one post) or are having built (a different post) or are imagining nor the intended purpose even though I've asked several times. Over & out! Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm sorry about the last questions where I wasn't clear enough... I'm installing some motorised courtains and searching for the approprieate Insteon device to control them and I realized that the micro open/close module was the best fit for it (or maybe not?). An example of what I want to do: I want to send an ON command from the ISY and the courtains start opening, ok, and I want to send another command to make it stop. How could this be done? In my tests, I send the ON command and it applied power for UP and when I send the OFF command it applied power for DOWN. How to stop it? Link to comment
stusviews Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What you use depends on the motors/actuators for the window coverings which you still haven't specified. The Micro Open/Close is used to control a reversible motor, either fully open or fully closed. There is no in-between setting. Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Stus.. I really don't know exactly the actuators because I'm buying from a reseller... I just know that they are controlled by two dry-contact signals... One to go up and other to go down.. The roller will stop if no one of the dry-contact is closed... I bought some open/close modules thinking that I could send the roller up or down and stop it the time I want. I'm just finding that I couldn't do this with this device.. It's sad if I'm right.... Link to comment
stusviews Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Dry contact is usually mention for low voltage. The Micro Modules are line voltage. Link to comment
Brian H Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Smartenit makes some plug in Insteon Modules with more than one relay. That could be used to switch Dry Contact Inputs. EZIO40 is one that comes to mind. They are plug in and not wired where you can hide them in an electrical box. I also don't know if all there features are completely handled by the iSY994i. I know that some features need you to use their Utility Suite to be set from default. Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Dry contact is usually mention for low voltage. The Micro Modules are line voltage. No problem with this. I'll make the micro module to close a relay and then close the roller dry-contact. Smartenit makes some plug in Insteon Modules with more than one relay. That could be used to switch Dry Contact Inputs. EZIO40 is one that comes to mind. They are plug in and not wired where you can hide them in an electrical box. I also don't know if all there features are completely handled by the iSY994i. I know that some features need you to use their Utility Suite to be set from default. This is a good option but is more expensive than the micro modules. In this case I could use a global cache WF2CC iTach Module too... I know that its features could be handled by ISY through network devices configurations... Link to comment
Brian H Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The 120 volt AC relays should work. You mentioned stopping part way. The open closed micro module will not to that as Stu pointed out. It has a preset time activation you set during the calibration part of the installation. Link to comment
guedesluz Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So sad.. I bought 4 of it hoping I could do that... Should list it to Insteon to develop a new device with UP / DOWN and STOP... Link to comment
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