Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Hi All, I'm looking for an opinion. I'm in the process of installing maglocks on my house doors. I think I'm over complicating this. I have three doors with maglocks installed. The locks themselfs work great, I'm just in the process of figureing out the control side. I have three RFID kits to control entry and each maglock has a dry contact to monitor door position. I want the ISY to control each door individually so I need three outputs. I want the ISY to be able to monitor each door position, so there I need three inputs. Now here is where I think I'm over complicating the scenario. I want it to be not only fail safe but fail secure. So I have all three maglocks backed up with a deep cycle battery, fail secure done. Now I have three individual rfid kits on the outside and three push buttons for the inside that directly act on the maglocks so fail safe is covered. For convieneince I would like the ISY to monitor the open commands from the RFID kits and the push buttons as well so the ISY can act on the maglock for 15-20 so you don't have to hold the button while pushing on the door until it releases. I would think this should be easy the rfid kit would open a relay that cuts power to the maglock, if they isy monitors the rfid output the ISY could act on the maglock using the output to hold the maglock open for the desired amount of time. So if your still following me I count I will need six inputs and 3 outputs. I was looking at the EZIO8SA, the only problem is it really only has 4 dry contact inputs where I would need six. Does anyone have any better options or even a better solution. Don't ask why I'm using maglock, I just got a fascination with them. I find them neat and cheap. Hopefully My post isn't too confusing. Edited January 11, 2016 by Cormacs
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) How does the system react during a fire condition? Are you aware the ISY is not UL/cUL Security certified? Ideals are peaceful - History is violent Edited January 11, 2016 by Teken
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 I completly expect the ISY to not be able to have full control over the system, Due to such as a fire or a power outage. Thats why the inside exit button will always have direct control over the maglock without requireing ISY input. I only want the ISY input more for convienence. Since the button will have to be held while pushing on the door to open I was hoping the ISY would mionitor the button and hold the maglock off for an addition 15 seconds for convienence. The button will always have direct control over the maglock its just a matter of if the ISY is down you will have to hold the button.
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 For that matter I could always have an emergency fire pull switch beside everydoor that disconnects power from all three maglocks.
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 A residential building can not use a REX system that requires a exit button to be held in place while the door must be pushed ajar. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Disabling during an emergency situation isn't very hard to accomplish. As I said I could use a fire pull at each door that disables the entire system opening all doors. I'm sure if I put my mind to it I could accomplish something even easier. Edited January 11, 2016 by Cormacs
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Disabling during an emergency situation isn't very hard to accomplish. As I said I could use a fire pull at each door that disables the entire system opening all doors. Sorry doesn't meet code and is still illegal. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 That sucks. I would have never thought maglocks would have been against code. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) That sucks. I would have never thought maglocks would have been against code. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No, it has nothing to do with being against code unless it's called our in your local. It comes down to your premise and plans to implement it in the current manner. Let's keep this simple does this door have existing locks and knobs? Are they in use and do they operate? Consider how many steps it takes to open a door with a knob lock and a common dead bolt? Now consider a uncertified REX system that is not timed but requires a person to unlock both existing locks. Press and hold a exit button than push / pull a door open? I sure can't see the fire marshal or home inspector having an issue with said exit for egress. Keeping in mind a common person must know how to exit without thought. Would you believe your system meets this basic criteria? Ideals are peaceful - History is violent Edited January 11, 2016 by Teken
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 The only lock on the door is the maglock. The isy will automatically open all the doors in case of fire. But the odd case that the isy doesn't work properly I will have a fire pull beside the door knob to disable the system. In reality in a perfect world it will be faster than a standard deadbolt system but as you pointed out it isn't certified for that. So instead of turning a deadbolt they would have to pull the fire pull. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 The only lock on the door is the maglock. The isy will automatically open all the doors in case of fire. But the odd case that the isy doesn't work properly I will have a fire pull beside the door knob to disable the system. In reality in a perfect world it will be faster than a standard deadbolt system but as you pointed out it isn't certified for that. So instead of turning a deadbolt they would have to pull the fire pull. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you saying all there is a door knob on this exterior door? Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 Yes and a maglock. It's an older house Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 Before the maglock all we had was a door knob with a key. But now with the maglock we don't use the key. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 Yes and a maglock. It's an older house Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If the REX system is changed to have a five second power on applied to the exit button which requires no other human intervention you can deploy this. Proper signage along with fail safe power cut during a fire condition must be in place. You still may not have a 3rd party device like the ISY interfaced with the REX system. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
Cormacs Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 If the REX system is changed to have a five second power on applied to the exit button which requires no other human intervention you can deploy this. This wouldn't be very hard to implement with a time delay relay. You still may not have a 3rd party device like the ISY interfaced with the REX system. That's disappointing, I may just have to play dumb with that one. In the end the isy would have no way of overriding the exit switch. It would be connected more for convenience than anything. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Teken Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 This wouldn't be very hard to implement with a time delay relay. That's disappointing, I may just have to play dumb with that one. In the end the isy would have no way of overriding the exit switch. It would be connected more for convenience than anything. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk How do you plan on addressing the fire condition? Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
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