ISY994izw + Z-Wave Schlage Deadbolt Pairing Issue

[cam]

I own an ISY994izw and Z-Wave Scalage deadbolt.  The first time I tried to pair the two it worked flawlessly.  From the ISY admin console I was able to send an unlock or lock command.  However, an hour later I launched the ISY admin console and from that point forward my deadbolt and ISY can not communicate.  I deleted the z-wave device from the ISY and attempted to pair the deadbolt again and it doesn't work.  The two devices are roughly 15' away from each other with only a single sheet rocked wall between them.

 

The ISY is running the latest firmware of both the system and z-wave.  Thoughts?

[Teken]

I own an ISY994izw and Z-Wave Scalage deadbolt.  The first time I tried to pair the two it worked flawlessly.  From the ISY admin console I was able to send an unlock or lock command.  However, an hour later I launched the ISY admin console and from that point forward my deadbolt and ISY can not communicate.  I deleted the z-wave device from the ISY and attempted to pair the deadbolt again and it doesn't work.  The two devices are roughly 15' away from each other with only a single sheet rocked wall between them.

 

The ISY is running the latest firmware of both the system and z-wave.  Thoughts?

 

Normally its best practice to bring the lock and controller as close as possible during the enrollment process. Once done a heal network should be done to ensure the hops and routing has been defined.

 

It goes without saying if you only have two devices in your Z-Wave network you may require more repeaters such as the Aeotec siren to help facilitate the Z-Wave signal.

[stusviews]

Exclude the device if you haven't already done so even if it's not in the list of devices. You may want to do that twice. Then include the device. Security devices should be close to the iSY when included as recommended by Teken. If you lose communication again, then a repeater is needed. The Aeon Gen 5 siren is the best repeater, again as suggested by Teken.

 

In my experience the repeater is best placed closer to the lock even if that placement is further from the ISY  If the repeater is located between the ISY and lock, still place it closer to the lock

[fryfrog]

Another great repeater is the Multisensor 6 *if* you include it securely (double press instead of single) *and* while it is powered by USB *and* it is powered by USB in its final location. I put in a handful of these and it really shored up my ZWave network *and* they're actually useful... while the siren helped, they're just not that useful.

Exclude the device if you haven't already done so even if it's not in the list of devices. You may want to do that twice.

 

This is what'll probably fix it. Just deleting it from the ISY doesn't really do anything, you have to exclude it. Maybe even more than once. Then re-include it.

[Teken]

 

This is what'll probably fix it. Just deleting it from the ISY doesn't really do anything, you have to exclude it. Maybe even more than once. Then re-include it.

 

This has to be one of the silliest things about Z-Wave I've watch people have to do. Its right up there with the whole routing and healing thing.

 

Never mind the bulk of the light switches don't have instant status . . . 

[Guitartexan01]

Teken I get the same chuckle when I hear you guys discussing noise and filters. Lol.

 

 

GT

[Teken]

Teken I get the same chuckle when I hear you guys discussing noise and filters. Lol.

 

 

GT

 

GT,

 

Well played my friend . . .

 

But keep in mind the bulk of us using Insteon don't need include / exclude to have a device operate or be seen. Nor do we have to worry about doing some kind of random healing so the network knows who to talk to and how to get there.

 

To be fair with the advent of Z-Wave Plus lots of the limited range, speed of activation, and battery life has increased. Too bad the majority of users will never have instant status unless they spent a lot more for said feature.

[stusviews]

I find it disconcerting having devices identified as 9, 17 and 14 when I have only three devices an they were 1, 2, and 3, respectively, when I installed them. Z-Wave does that! Well, not exactly those number identifies, but if you exclude and then include that device, that happens. Even more disparity if other devices were included.

 

I'm very happy with Z-Wave (and non-automated push button, for security) Schlage locks, less so with Insteon compatible locks that don't report their status. And I'm thrilled that there's a multi-speed Z-Wave single-gang switch that function as does the FanLinc (fan only). Too bad it's not intuitive and does not report its status, but it does the job.

 

Yes, I need repeaters to couple Z-Wave battery powered devices (locks) to the ISY over less that 25' and yes I need filters to block power line stompers and suckers for Insteon signals.

 

But, technology advances. Insteon has one production device that allows turning off powerline and/or RF communication. Those option, if ever incorporated into all devices, will alleviate the need for filters. The advantage that Insteon has is dual-band. Powerline communication is vastly superior to RF when it's not interfered with. Powerline interference is easily cured, RF interference is not.

 

I await newness

[Guitartexan01]

"Power line interference is easily cured, RF interference is not."

 

Unfortunately, you are quite correct. and it sucks to know that. Thankfully I don't currently experience that in my area.

 

 

GT

[Teken]

I find it disconcerting having devices identified as 9, 17 and 14 when I have only three devices an they were 1, 2, and 3, respectively, when I installed them. Z-Wave does that! Well, not exactly those number identifies, but if you exclude and then include that device, that happens. Even more disparity if other devices were included.

 

I'm very happy with Z-Wave (and non-automated push button, for security) Schlage locks, less so with Insteon compatible locks that don't report their status. And I'm thrilled that there's a multi-speed Z-Wave single-gang switch that function as does the FanLinc (fan only). Too bad it's not intuitive and does not report its status, but it does the job.

 

Yes, I need repeaters to couple Z-Wave battery powered devices (locks) to the ISY over less that 25' and yes I need filters to block power line stompers and suckers for Insteon signals.

 

But, technology advances. Insteon has one production device that allows turning off powerline and/or RF communication. Those option, if ever incorporated into all devices, will alleviate the need for filters. The advantage that Insteon has is dual-band. Powerline communication is vastly superior to RF when it's not interfered with. Powerline interference is easily cured, RF interference is not.

 

I await newness

 

To clarify this point Smartlabs has two existing products which allow the end user to enable / disable RF vs Power Line. They are the latest On-Off Relay Module and Dual Outlet.

 

With respect to seeing this feature in all Insteon hardware they will need to address one of the major fundamental flaws in their current design. That is moving the antenna from the rear to the front so its under the face plate of what ever hardwired device.

 

Having it buried in the rear and (IF) a metal JBOX is in use essentially limits the RF to about 1-10 feet. Lastly, Smartlabs has shown they can increase the RF power output while staying with in the FCC guidelines.

 

Doing so will increase RF distance, coverage, and ensure a strong mesh network.

 

This was again seen in the HUB II, Dual Outlet, and On-Off Relay Module which essentially added another 100 feet to the line of sight RF operational use. 

[cam]

UPDATE:  Via the ISY admin console I excluded then including the deadbolt and it has worked flawless ever since...  Thx for all your help!

[bocaray]

Can anyone provide me with a screenshot(s) of how the Schlage Lock works with ISY994iZ?  Just want to see how it works before making a commitment.

Any reviews would be appreciated.

[cam]

Can anyone provide me with a screenshot(s) of how the Schlage Lock works with ISY994iZ?  Just want to see how it works before making a commitment.

Any reviews would be appreciated.

 

What exactly do you want me to screenshot?

[fryfrog]

It shows up as a device you can lock and unlock, both in programs and manually. Manually, you can also set user pin codes. In programs, you can also detect various conditions like which user code was used, if it was unlocked by keypad or manually (bolt or physical key). What're you looking for? A screen shot of the UI is going to be... pretty unimpressive.