Insteon "Button Grouping" cleanup

[G W]

I've been looking for and reading everthing I can find on "Button Grouping" and the adverse consequences.

 

I see a lot of warnings and some hints at what problems it might cause.

 

1. Exactly what problem does this cause and where is it located?

 

2. How does one clean up the problem?

 

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[stusviews]

1. The warning indicates that scenes may be irrecoverably corrupt scenes. Scenes, by definition, involve more than one device. A factory reset will certainly restore the "grouped" device. but you'll probably need to factory reset each and every device that's a member of a scene involving that KeypadLinc button(s). Most likely a controlled will be confused.

 

2. Cleaning the process is easy, but tedious, Modify each scene to emulate the grouped buttons and delete the grouping.

[G W]

I have created two sets of scenes.

 

One has a single KLP and FanLinc.

 

Two has three KPLs and a FanLinc.

 

I can confirm that deleting the "Button Groupings" does NOT clean up the problem.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[oberkc]

I have created two sets of scenes.

One has a single KLP and FanLinc.

Two has three KPLs and a FanLinc.

I can confirm that deleting the "Button Groupings" does NOT clean up the problem.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

So, you have removed the button groups. What is the problem that remains? Is there some unexplained behavior somewhere?

[G W]

There is unexplainable behavior in that pressing one button will cause all buttons to light up. I'm going to continue work in this until I can document and prove a successful procedure to clear the problem.

 

One would think there would be more information posted other than just, "don't do that."

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[oberkc]

Normally, I would assume such behavior is caused by a scene relationship. Are you saying that these devices and buttons are no longer in a scene, that the groupings are cleared, and it still does this?

 

Is there a scene that includes the "one button" as controller. Does that scene include "all buttons"? Are responder levels for all buttons set to zero?

[G W]

I need to do more testing before I state anything as a fact.

 

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[G W]

Okay, I think I have it figured out.

[stusviews]

Example:

 

Button A = High

Button B = Medium

Button C = Low

Button D = Off

 

Scene High

Button A Controller On

Button B Responder Off

Button C Responder Off

Button D Responder Off

FanLinc Motor Responder High

[oberkc]

Okay, I think I have it figured out.

Care to share? Once involved, I cannot help but be curious?