jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm having some issues moving my rules from HomeSeer to ISY. Here's the basic gist of the rule i had in HS: open deck door at night, turn on deck lights for 10 minutes OR until the off switch is pressed. For whatever reason, i simply cannot get this rule to translate over to my ISY.... FWIW, I'm using ISY 5.0.11c with the Elk module and an HS-WS100+ for a switch. Any assistance is greatly appreciated! Here are the 2 events in HS that I use to accomplish this Link to comment
Scottmichaelj Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm having some issues moving my rules from HomeSeer to ISY. Here's the basic gist of the rule i had in HS: open deck door at night, turn on deck lights for 10 minutes OR until the off switch is pressed. For whatever reason, i simply cannot get this rule to translate over to my ISY.... FWIW, I'm using ISY 5.0.11c with the Elk module and an HS-WS100+ for a switch. Any assistance is greatly appreciated! Here are the 2 events in HS that I use to accomplish this What’s your ISY program look like? Right click on the program and copy to clipboard and paste here.Are you using “ELSE”? Also you need to use “Elk” in the program drop downs and when “X zone is violated”. Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Derp.... That would probably help. Tbh though, it's kinda starting from scratch because it doesn't really work at all yet. I think I maybe need to use 2 programs.... If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And $dog_outside is 0 And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then $dog_timer Init To 0 Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Repeat While $dog_timer >= 600 $dog_timer += 1 Wait 1 second Repeat 1 times Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off $dog_timer = 0 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
Scottmichaelj Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, jon102034050 said: Derp.... That would probably help. Tbh though, it's kinda starting from scratch because it doesn't really work at all yet. I think I maybe need to use 2 programs.... If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And $dog_outside is 0 And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then $dog_timer Init To 0 Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Repeat While $dog_timer >= 600 $dog_timer += 1 Wait 1 second Repeat 1 times Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off $dog_timer = 0 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I am sorry I do not have any ZWave devices or switches but try this... If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 10 minutes Else Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off (If the above conditions are not met then the light is off) FWIW "repeat" line goes at the top and repeats everything under the command. If you need repeats you should be looking at your network closer too as they really shouldnt be needed. You dont need to use variables for this either its just complicating things. Also you can make a new "FOLDER" and call it Sunset to Sunrise and make an IF statement on it to run just those programs inside it during that timeframe. Sunset to Sunrise Folder Conditions for 'Sunset to Sunrise' If From Sunset To Sunrise (Next Day) Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. I am not 100% perfect on programs and still need help time to time myself, but this should hopefully get you going. Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Hm, maybe I'm missing something here, but this isn't working at all. The light doesn't turn on at all - thoughts? If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' is switched Off And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 10 minutes Else Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off Link to comment
Scottmichaelj Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Hm, maybe I'm missing something here, but this isn't working at all. The light doesn't turn on at all - thoughts? If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' is switched Off And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day)Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 10 minutes Else Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off Take out the sunset and sunrise for now and test. Does that work? Try just a simple program. Also your Elk module is indeed working? You have imported all the zones? When you open the door does the zone show violated in the ISY? Edit: also make sure your time is set properly on the ISY, your location too and it shows the correct sunrise/sunset in the top bar. Link to comment
stusviews Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 A very basic test it to right click on the program and select Run Then. Does the device turn on? Does Run Else turn off the device? Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Scottmichaelj said: Take out the sunset and sunrise for now and test. Does that work? Try just a simple program. Also your Elk module is indeed working? You have imported all the zones? When you open the door does the zone show violated in the ISY? Edit: also make sure your time is set properly on the ISY, your location too and it shows the correct sunrise/sunset in the top bar. Hm, sunset - sunrise works just fine, it's the 'switch off' that is messing with this. When I pull the 'switch off' out in the 'if', the light turns on when the door opens, and turns off when it closes. Obviously, this isn't the functionality I am looking for. Here's what it looks like: If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 20 seconds Else Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off 2 minutes ago, stusviews said: A very basic test it to right click on the program and select Run Then. Does the device turn on? Does Run Else turn off the device? Run Then and Run Else works to turn on and off the light. Link to comment
Scottmichaelj Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 A very basic test it to right click on the program and select Run Then. Does the device turn on? Does Run Else turn off the device? Could ZWave not be reporting status properly? I don’t have ZWave so I am unsure. Edit: IE it’s showing the switch on&off in the admin console right? Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 Status is reporting correctly in the console. When the program turns it on, it shows on immediately (and vice versa). Link to comment
stusviews Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 The only effect of your wait statement is to wait 20 seconds after the device turns on and then end the program. It will not do anything else. It will not run the Else statements at all. What is your reason for having a Wait? Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 The purpose of the wait (shortened to 20 seconds for testing, would be 10 minutes when in place for real) is to keep the light on for 10 minutes while the dog is out. After that, turn it off. Again, here is what I want to achieve: Door is opened at night - turn on deck lights for 10 minutes OR until the off switch is pressed. Link to comment
Scottmichaelj Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 The only effect of your wait statement is to wait 20 seconds after the device turns on and then end the program. It will not do anything else. It will not run the Else statements at all. What is your reason for having a Wait? Sorry good catch. That was supposed to be his 10min wait for the dog to go out. Typo ??♂️ Edit: My OCD would make the time first then the door violated for the IF portion. ? Link to comment
kclenden Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, jon102034050 said: Hm, sunset - sunrise works just fine, it's the 'switch off' that is messing with this. When I pull the 'switch off' out in the 'if', the light turns on when the door opens, and turns off when it closes. Obviously, this isn't the functionality I am looking for. Here's what it looks like: I haven't used V5 yet, but in V4 you choose CONTROL or STATUS for switches. CONTROL means the physical act of the being switched OFF or ON. STATUS means the current state of the switch. It looks like you have used CONTROL so it will only be true at the instant someone turns the switch OFF. I think you want to use STATUS which will be true any time the switch is in an OFF state. Also, in an earlier program you were using a variable. Have you read about the difference between STATE and INTEGER variables. Which type you choose can have a huge impact on how your IF functions. Link to comment
kclenden Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Well nix that. You're changing the state of the switch in the program so that would cause the IF to reevaluate immediately and the run the ELSE. But still I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with evaluating whether the switch is switched OFF. Link to comment
kclenden Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Just reread you opening paragraph. What if you changed to something like "And NOT 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' is switched Off"? That should evaluate as TRUE all the time except when the switch is actually turned off, at which time the WAIT 10 MINUTES should be broken, the IF reevaluated and then the ELSE executed. But you'd still need to add "Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off" after the WAIT because when the time limit of the WAIT expires the programs just stops, it doesn't automatically execute the ELSE. Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, kclenden said: I haven't used V5 yet, but in V4 you choose CONTROL or STATUS for switches. CONTROL means the physical act of the being switched OFF or ON. STATUS means the current state of the switch. It looks like you have used CONTROL so it will only be true at the instant someone turns the switch OFF. I think you want to use STATUS which will be true any time the switch is in an OFF state. Also, in an earlier program you were using a variable. Have you read about the difference between STATE and INTEGER variables. Which type you choose can have a huge impact on how your IF functions. ^ this helps me quite a bit.... I was struggling to understand the diff between control and status. 5 minutes ago, kclenden said: Well nix that. You're changing the state of the switch in the program so that would cause the IF to reevaluate immediately and the run the ELSE. But still I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with evaluating whether the switch is switched OFF. Let me just reiterate this: I am a complete noob when it comes to programming the ISY, please don't take my rules to mean anything.... lol. Here is my goal: Door is opened at night - turn on deck lights for 10 minutes OR until the off switch is pressed. If the switch isn't pressed (off), then the lights will just go off as planned in 10 minutes from original opening. Please feel free to re-write the rule completely if you think it can be achieved in a different way. Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, kclenden said: Just reread you opening paragraph. What if you changed to something like "And NOT 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' is switched Off"? That should evaluate as TRUE all the time except when the switch is actually turned off, at which time the WAIT 10 MINUTES should be broken, the IF reevaluated and then the ELSE executed. I'm not sure I totally follow, but I can test things out tomorrow AM though. I'll report back then. Link to comment
stusviews Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 The purpose of a Wait is to execute the statements that follow the Wait after the designated interval. You have absolutely no statements following the Wait command, so nothing will execute after interval, not the Else, not anything. In this program, Off is executed after waiting 2 seconds: If Status 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' is Off Then Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' On Wait 2 seconds Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
oberkc Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 hours ago, jon102034050 said: Hm, sunset - sunrise works just fine, it's the 'switch off' that is messing with this. When I pull the 'switch off' out in the 'if', the light turns on when the door opens, and turns off when it closes. Obviously, this isn't the functionality I am looking for. Here's what it looks like: If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 20 seconds Else Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off jon102034050, I don't find it easy trying to follow this conversation, but I believe this is your latest program (above), correct? As some have pointed out, you need to move the OFF command to immediately follow the wait command. I also believe you have a potential problem that closing the door (Elk Zone 'deck door') would end the "violated" state and interrupt the wait statement. Unfortunately, I don't use the Elk system so I do not know if there is a zone trigger similar to a "control" statement for insteon devices. Assuming not, you will need to separate this program into two: ---------------------- if elk zone 'deck door' is violated and from sunset to sunrise (next day) then run next program (then path) else nothing ----------------------- next program: ---------------------- if nothing then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 20 seconds Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off else nothing ----------------------- Link to comment
oberkc Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 6 hours ago, stusviews said: The purpose of a Wait is to execute the statements that follow the Wait after the designated interval. You have absolutely no statements following the Wait command, so nothing will execute after interval, not the Else, not anything. In this program, Off is executed after waiting 2 seconds: If Status 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' is Off Then Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' On Wait 2 seconds Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') stusview, are you not concerned that the first statement in the THEN path would retrigger the program, interrupting the wait statement? Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 26, 2018 Author Share Posted February 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, oberkc said: jon102034050, I don't find it easy trying to follow this conversation, but I believe this is your latest program (above), correct? As some have pointed out, you need to move the OFF command to immediately follow the wait command. I also believe you have a potential problem that closing the door (Elk Zone 'deck door') would end the "violated" state and interrupt the wait statement. Unfortunately, I don't use the Elk system so I do not know if there is a zone trigger similar to a "control" statement for insteon devices. Assuming not, you will need to separate this program into two: ---------------------- if elk zone 'deck door' is violated and from sunset to sunrise (next day) then run next program (then path) else nothing ----------------------- next program: ---------------------- if nothing then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 20 seconds Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off else nothing ----------------------- This is the closest that I've come to getting this to work. When the door opens, the light turns on, and when the door closes, it doesn't turn off anymore. However, it doesn't take into account if I want to cancel the wait early by pressing the switch manually, which should turn off the lights and cancel the wait. Here's what it looks like: Deck 1 - [ID 0008][Parent 0004] If Elk Zone 'Deck Door' is Violated Then Run Program 'Deck 2' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Deck 2 - [ID 0009][Parent 0004][Not Enabled] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' On Wait 20 seconds Set 'ZW 003 Multilevel Switch' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
oberkc Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 hours ago, jon102034050 said: However, it doesn't take into account if I want to cancel the wait early by pressing the switch manually, which should turn off the lights and cancel the wait. So, is not the light wired to the "zw 003 multilevel switch"? Does not turning that switch off also turn the light off? Link to comment
stusviews Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 9 hours ago, oberkc said: stusview, are you not concerned that the first statement in the THEN path would retrigger the program, interrupting the wait statement? Ha ha. You are absolutely correct. The reason I'm not concerned is because there's an error in the program. It should be: If Status 'GG / Garage2 Control / GG2 ZW028 Binary Sensor' is Off Then Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' On Wait 2 seconds Set 'GG / Garage1 Control / GG1 ZW028 Binary Switch' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Now corrected. Thanks bunches for catching that. Link to comment
jon102034050 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, oberkc said: So, is not the light wired to the "zw 003 multilevel switch"? Does not turning that switch off also turn the light off? Sorry, I should have been more clear: yes, it is wired to the switch, so physically pressing the switch off does turn the switch off, but it doesnt cancel the running event. Take the following scenario: walk outside at 22:00:00. Light turns on with a timer of 10 minutes before its scheduled shutdown. Dog drops a load and is back in in 2 minutes. I walk in and press the switch off at 22:02:30. Dog forgets that it needs to go number 1 and asks to go back outside at 22:09:45. I walk outside and the light proceeds to turn on again for us, but, is the original run of the 10 minute timer still going? Or, in other words, is the light going to turn off on us 15 seconds after we go out the second time? Link to comment
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