2 ISY994is on a network?

[aguden]

I have already installed the Hub since I didn't have any switches to replace the suspect one.  I have 5 new switches due in a few days and can swap that one out and test. 

 

Do the Barn Exterior and Barn Exterior Floods now work. Were you able to do a restore device on them without noticeable issues? - Not really.  They still show as a red exclamation mark too on the ISY994i. I can control the 2 of them on the 2245-222 but not the Barn Aisle.  

Were you able to accomplish anything by turning off the breakers to see if you could isolate the problem?  No real changes seen with this testing. 

I am leaning toward a bad switch. And the other two may have some problems too but obviously not as bad since I can turn the on and off with the 2245-222.

 

 

[aguden]

 

Ignore this POST - I found the error.

 

I received the new Insteon switches and wanted to test them but get an error when trying to add them : 

"The following devices could not be added: 4C.80.ED".  Copy of screen shot attached. 

Help-> About screen shot too:

The information on the device:

Model 2477S

Revision: 7.3  8118

What's up? Need to get this switch working before I can continue the testing! 

Thanks,

 

Al

[Techman]

4 hours ago, aguden said:

 

Ignore this POST - I found the error.

 

I received the new Insteon switches and wanted to test them but get an error when trying to add them : 

"The following devices could not be added: 4C.80.ED".  Copy of screen shot attached. 

Help-> About screen shot too:

The information on the device:

Model 2477S

Revision: 7.3  8118

What's up? Need to get this switch working before I can continue the testing! 

Thanks,

 

Al

 

Your ISY firmware and the UI need to be the same version.  The fact that they're not could cause a problem

Clear your java cache and programs then download the new ISY launcher which automatically detects your ISY firmware version

Are you making any progress?

 

 

[aguden]

Update:

 

I installed a new dual band switch to replace the old switch and I replaced the non-dual band switch (BarnCam). The ISY994i didn't want to talk to either one.  So really no progress on that front.  I put the Insteon Hub in the barn and it works fine.  But doesn't see the devices that are not in the barn.  Like I have 2 separate installations.  And this will work.  I don't neeed to do much with the barn but would have been happier with all devices on one hub.

Next:

I went to the directions in the form to clear the java cache and that went fine.  Then downloaded the start.jnlp.  When I run it I get the screen shot below:

 

I can see the ISY994i on my network but am not sure what I do from here. 

 

 

[dbuss]

3 minutes ago, aguden said:

Update:

 

I installed a new dual band switch to replace the old switch and I replaced the non-dual band switch (BarnCam). The ISY994i didn't want to talk to either one.  So really no progress on that front.  I put the Insteon Hub in the barn and it works fine.  But doesn't see the devices that are not in the barn.  Like I have 2 separate installations.  And this will work.  I don't neeed to do much with the barn but would have been happier with all devices on one hub.

Next:

I went to the directions in the form to clear the java cache and that went fine.  Then downloaded the start.jnlp.  When I run it I get the screen shot below:

 

I can see the ISY994i on my network but am not sure what I do from here. 

 

 

Click on the URL link.

Select Admin Console.

Log into your ISY.

[Techman]

Prior to replacing the BarnCam Switch you mentioned that you were able to communicate with it via the ISY. Were you able to install the new dual band BarnCam Switch via the ISY.  If you're having difficulty installing it then do a factory reset on the Switch then try the install again.

A " Can't determine Insteon Engine" message usually indicates a communication problem between the PLM and the Device 

 

[aguden]

Been away on a business trip.  

I have replaced all switches in my home and barn with dual band devices.

Bringing up the system, I can now see all devices except:

1. Barn Exterior Floods - This had been a device that was OK a week ago.  I have done a factory reset but the device remains with t red exclamation point.

2. GarageMahal Exterior Floods - This was a new Dual Band switch that I installed yesterday. I had added it using the address but did it local to my ISY994i and PC (my office).  Then installed it.  It appears with a red exclamation point.  I have done a factory reset and it still reports that it cannot communicate with it.  There is a new second dual band device in the same box that works fine.
 

Both are reported on startup as unable to communicate.....

[Techman]

On the 2 devices you're having a problem with are you sure you did a full factory reset per the manual, holding down the set button until the buzzing stops, then doing a restore device from the ISY.

Being that there's a dual band device next to it that works I would try another factory reset / restore device. What type of load is on the 2 problem devices?

 

 

 

[aguden]

I did a full factory reset.  Pulled the set button our for 10 sec plus.  Then pushed in and held until the long beep ended.  both then went to the on indication.

Doing a restore from ISY to the devices end up with a red exclamation point.

Both devices have exterior floods and both have electric eyes so that they really are not on during the daylight.  Maybe that's a possible problem?

Thanks for your patience.

 

[Techman]

53 minutes ago, aguden said:

I did a full factory reset.  Pulled the set button our for 10 sec plus.  Then pushed in and held until the long beep ended.  both then went to the on indication.

Doing a restore from ISY to the devices end up with a red exclamation point.

Both devices have exterior floods and both have electric eyes so that they really are not on during the daylight.  Maybe that's a possible problem?

Thanks for your patience.

 

It's most likely that the load on the switches is interfering with the Insteon signal. Disconnect the load and cap off the red  wire then try to do a restore device.

If you're using dimmer switches then there's a compatibility issue with the "electric eye sensor"  You should either take the electric eye sensor out of the circuit or use the Insteon (non-dimming) on/off switch. You don't need the sensor as you can write a program to turn the lights on and off at dusk and dawn and still keep the dimmer switches.

[aguden]

Here is more feedback:

1. Both are 2477S so no dimmer.

2. I disconnected the red line on the Barn Exterior Floods, did a factory reset and then tried to restore.  The icon is now the green one that indicates it needs to write something to the device.  

3. I then tried to write updates to the device and immediately the Cannot communicate with the device message came up but the icon didn't change.

 

Maybe the next thing to do is to get the sensor out of each of the floods?  There are 3 fixtures with 2 floods each and a sensor.  The way these worked was that at dusk the power would be available to the fixtures but the floods wouldn't come on unless there was motion detected.  I think there may be a switch on the devices to by pass the sensor and if so this will be easy. If not I will just put up ne fixtures without sensors.  The ones that are on the barn are old!

 

I didn't try to do anything with the other switch...yet.  But there is one other switch that is working that controls the floods on the garage.  Not sure why!

 

 

[Techman]

1 hour ago, aguden said:

Here is more feedback:

1. Both are 2477S so no dimmer.

2. I disconnected the red line on the Barn Exterior Floods, did a factory reset and then tried to restore.  The icon is now the green one that indicates it needs to write something to the device.  

3. I then tried to write updates to the device and immediately the Cannot communicate with the device message came up but the icon didn't change.

 

Maybe the next thing to do is to get the sensor out of each of the floods?  There are 3 fixtures with 2 floods each and a sensor.  The way these worked was that at dusk the power would be available to the fixtures but the floods wouldn't come on unless there was motion detected.  I think there may be a switch on the devices to by pass the sensor and if so this will be easy. If not I will just put up ne fixtures without sensors.  The ones that are on the barn are old!

 

I didn't try to do anything with the other switch...yet.  But there is one other switch that is working that controls the floods on the garage.  Not sure why!

 

 

The next thing to try is doing a factory reset on the switch with the load (red wire) disconnected, then a restore device. 

It's also possible that the other sensors are interfering with the Insteon signal. Make sure those switches are off before you do a factory reset / restore device on the one with the load disconnected.

 

[aguden]

Ok.  After trying to get the floods to work without the sensor, I think the sensor switches are probably corroded and I'm not able to get the floods to work without the sensor.

Plan:  I have ordered new floodlight fixtures that have motion and dawn to dusk sensors.  Once they are installed with the sensors bypassed, I will see if I can get the 2 switches to work.  If they don't all I will have to do is to leave the switches on and not bother with controlling them (or putting plain switches in their place and have 2 spares.)

 

Will get this done later in the week.  The red wire remaoval and factory reset and restore didn't meet with success.  

 

Will report after the new floods are installed.