Understanding how Google/ISY commands work and updating.

[trevorst]

I have had Google spokens working great for a few years and have updated programs as reqd to meet my needs.

Now I have been updating a program that dims the lights and sets the colors on Hue lights. The Hue portion is working just fine using a network resource as is a program call to several Insteon lights, but an Insteon switch that I have changed from dimming to turning off still wants to dim.

I have deleted the Google spoken and resent spokens to google, then created the spoken again and resent again to Google but that one light still wants to dim. How does the ISY and Google work are the actual commands sent to Google?

Would appreciate any and all thoughts

Trevor

[MrBill]

19 hours ago, trevorst said:

but an Insteon switch that I have changed from dimming to turning off still wants to dim.

Was it a change to a scene or program?  If program, does the program work when you right click the name and select Run Then or Run Else?

[trevorst]

Yes it is a program and yes it works when running it from any other method than Google. This is really strange as I gave it an alternative spoken and reloaded to google, the alternate spoken works but the original still dims the one light instead of switching it off.  I think I am going to write a new program with the same commands and try using that one.

Edited August 28, 2021 by trevorst

[MrBill]

1 hour ago, trevorst said:

Yes it is a program and yes it works when running it from any other method than Google. This is really strange as I gave it an alternative spoken and reloaded to google, the alternate spoken works but the original still dims the one light instead of switching it off.  I think I am going to write a new program with the same commands and try using that one.

That's really weird.. and both the old and new spokens run the same program?

[larryllix]

I found (and this is typical) that GH never forgets.

IIRC I deleted all my devices, disconnected my accounts, and when I reconnected my accounts all my devices were still there and enabled. I had to create a new Google account to get rid of some of my associations.

That was a few years ago now and I quit using my 3-4 GH boxes since.

[trevorst]

So does that mean that the actual commands are loaded to Google and not just command to execute the program?

[MrBill]

4 minutes ago, trevorst said:

So does that mean that the actual commands are loaded to Google and not just command to execute the program?

I don't know what @larryllix means, but if it's going thru the portal, no the google home voice command runs the ISY program.  That's why I asked...

5 hours ago, MrBill said:

That's really weird.. and both the old and new spokens run the same program?

 

[larryllix]

14 minutes ago, trevorst said:

So does that mean that the actual commands are loaded to Google and not just command to execute the program?

I am not sure what exactly is loaded down to google but it knew my whole setup when I tried to dump it.

IIRC at the time I was trying to get GH to operate my devices, and after months of working fine it just wouldn't work any more. After a few months of trying everything it started to work again after giving up on GH. This happened again after several months of working and the same thing happened again. While nothing with GH worked, I tried to dissolve my account, including my google main account, as well as all my email accounts with them. When I reconnected the ISY Portal account back with GH all the devices were still there. Don't know how or why but after other AI attempts from GH to operate every device in my house I finally dumped GH and just supported my Alexa devices that didn't try to second guess my HA setup.

[trevorst]

Thanks for the input guys.

It looks like the issue may be with the ISY. I deleted all the commands out of the program and entered them all again, everything worked as expected. Will never know why for sure but at least it is working now and I will be aware of this and redo the whole program when I want to change something.

@larryllix. I had issues with gh when they first started to add rooms and it took them a long time to sort it out, my system has been rock solid for a long time now. My only real issue with gh is they make changes and don’t publish anything about them. I still have a couple of Alexa devices but only use them for verbal alerts.