mitch236 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Ok, I'm almost at wit's end. Last night I tested what I thought was ready for prime time two Folder system with Alarm status settings. But it didn't work. I ended up having timed programs roll over from the Alarm Away Folder to the Alarm Disarmed Folder and causing all kinds of havoc! Anyway, I think I wrote enough programs to shore this thing up but I would appreciate it if the brain trust could look it over and point out any weaknesses and possible better solutions. I will post some examples of how this is structured. First I have two main Folders, This is what the Alarm Off Folder has as an If statement: Folder Conditions for 'Alarm OFF (or Stay)'Add conditions to limit when programs in this folder are allowed to run. If Program '*Armed Away' is False Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. Then my Armed Folder: Folder Conditions for 'Armed Away'Add conditions to limit when programs in this folder are allowed to run. If Program '*Armed Away' is True Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. Then I wrote a toggle program (which resides outside of both folders) to turn off my front lights in case I disarm the alarm before the Alarm On program turns off the front lights: If Program '*Armed Away' is False Then Set Scene 'Scenes / Outdoor Front' Off Wait 15 seconds Disable Program 'Alarm Off Toggle' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I had to write another program to enable the Alarm Off Toggle: If Program '*Armed Away' is True Then Enable Program 'Alarm Off Toggle' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Here's one of the main programs in the Alarm On Folder: If Program '*Armed Away' is True And From Sunset + 1 second To Sunrise (next day) Then Set Scene 'Scenes / Outdoor Front' On Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Main Switch' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Sconce' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Lamplinc (Dining Room Hutch)' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Archway' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Closet' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Girls Bathroom / Bathroom' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Girls Bathroom / Shower' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Cooking Area E' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Cooking Area W' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Pantry' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Table' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Under Cabinet' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Closet' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Nightstand' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Room' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Lamplinc 2 (sofa)' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Lamplinc 3 (large lamp)' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Controller' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room High Hat' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Sconces' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Short Lamp' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Loft / Loft Fan' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Loft / Loft Light' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Main Ceiling Lights / Catwalk' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Main Ceiling Lights / Catwalk2' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Bathroom Lights' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Shower' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Water Pump' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Fan' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master High Hat' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / RF Lamplincs / 14 1D 50 1' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Siena Room / Siena Closet' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Siena Room / Siena Room' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Stairs / Stair Bottom' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Stairs / Stair Top' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater NE' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater NW' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater SE' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater SW' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Theater / Theater Front' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Hall' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Middle' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Rear' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Sconces' Fast Off Wait 15 minutes Set Scene 'Scenes / Outdoor Front' Fast Off Run Program 'Random Indoor Alarm' (If) Run Program 'Random Outside Alarm' (If) Stop program 'All off Nighttime Alarm' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Here's an example of a thermostat program in the Alarm On Folder: If Program '*Armed Away' is True Then Wait 10 minutes Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' Fan Auto Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 36° (Heat Setpoint) Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 82° (Cool Setpoint) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') And a light random program for Alarm Away: If Program '*Armed Away' is True And From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Nightstand' On Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Under Cabinet' On Wait 1 hour Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Archway' On Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Bathroom Lights' On Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Chandelier' On Wait 1 hour Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Bathroom Lights' Off Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Chandelier' On Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Nightstand' Off Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Chandelier' Off Wait 1 hour Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Chandelier' Off Wait 2 hours Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Archway' Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Under Cabinet' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
mitch236 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Now for the Alarm Off state: First I realized I had to write a program that stops the Alarm On programs that are on timers: If Program '*Disarmed' is True Then Stop program 'All off Daytime Alarm' Stop program 'All off Nighttime Alarm' Stop program 'Main House a/c Alarm' Stop program 'Master Suite a/c Alarm' Stop program 'Upstairs a/c Alarm' Stop program 'Theater a/c Alarm' Stop program 'Random Outside Alarm' Stop program 'Random Indoor Alarm' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Here's my solution to the HVAC issue with the help of sub-routine: If Program '*Armed Away' is False And From 8:00:00AM To 11:00:00PM (same day) Then Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' Fan Auto Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' Mode Auto Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 65° (Heat Setpoint) Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 80° (Cool Setpoint) Else Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' Fan Auto Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' Mode Auto Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 84° (Cool Setpoint) Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Thermostats / Main House / HVAC Main House' 46° (Heat Setpoint) Here are some concerns I have: -If I arm the alarm and then disarm it within 10 minutes, will all the timed programs in the Armed folder stop and will all the programs within the Disarmed Folder work as expected? -Will my Alarm Toggle solve my front light issue? -Does my program cause any instabilities? I ask all this because last night, I set the Alarm and the indoor lighting didn't turn off. I had to disarm and then re-arm the alarm for that program to run. I wonder if there is a timing issue with how the folders become true and when the folder contents run. The other problems I had I think I solved by writing the Alarm Toggle programs and the Stop Alarm Away. Anyway, ever since I integrated the alarm into the ISY, things have become much more complicated but exciting at the same time. I finally can see a day when my house is completely integrated with the ISY at the wheel! Its just going to take some creative programming to make it happen and be bullet proof! Link to comment
paulw Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Sorry, mixed controllers in my response. Link to comment
mitch236 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 Then I realized I had another problem. Every time I changed the alarm from Disarmed to Armed Stay, the Alarm Away False folder reassessed its contents and changed all the thermostats to their programmed setting regardless of whether they had been changed manually. So I am trying to trick the ISY into not realizing that the alarm has changed statuses. Here are the programs I wrote to accomplish this: I wrote am empty program to give the ISY/DSC interface something to update. I disabled this program. I called it Alarm Stay Trick. Then I wrote a program to keep the status of Disarmed true: If Program 'Alarm Stay Trick' is True Then Run Program '*Disarmed' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') My question is will the program Alarm Stay Trick still update this program even though it is disabled? Link to comment
TJF1960 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Here's one of the main programs in the Alarm On Folder: If Program '*Armed Away' is True And From Sunset + 1 second To Sunrise (next day) Then Set Scene 'Scenes / Outdoor Front' On Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Main Switch' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Dining Room Sconce' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Dining Room / Lamplinc (Dining Room Hutch)' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Archway' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Foyer / Foyer Closet' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Girls Bathroom / Bathroom' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Girls Bathroom / Shower' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Cooking Area E' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Cooking Area W' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Pantry' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Table' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Kitchen / Kitchen Under Cabinet' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Closet' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Nightstand' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Lea Room / Lea Room' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Lamplinc 2 (sofa)' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Lamplinc 3 (large lamp)' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Controller' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room High Hat' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Sconces' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Living Room / Living Room Short Lamp' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Loft / Loft Fan' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Loft / Loft Light' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Main Ceiling Lights / Catwalk' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Main Ceiling Lights / Catwalk2' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Bathroom Lights' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Shower' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Bath / Water Pump' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Chandelier' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master Fan' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Master Suite / Master High Hat' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / RF Lamplincs / 14 1D 50 1' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Siena Room / Siena Closet' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Siena Room / Siena Room' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Indoor / Stairs / Stair Bottom' Fast Off Set 'Indoor / Stairs / Stair Top' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater NE' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater NW' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater SE' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Receptacle / Theater SW' Fast Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Theater / Theater Front' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Hall' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Middle' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Rear' Fast Off Set 'Theater / Theater Sconces' Fast Off Wait 15 minutes Set Scene 'Scenes / Outdoor Front' Fast Off Run Program 'Random Indoor Alarm' (If) Run Program 'Random Outside Alarm' (If) Stop program 'All off Nighttime Alarm' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Hi Mitch, I feel your frustration, been there. I do have two suggestions so far that will help cut some time on away. I ended up putting all of the lights and devices that I wanted turned off when armed away in a scene called “Awayâ€. I found that I had a few stubborn devices which wouldn’t turn off with the first call so I added a wait 2 seconds then called the scene again. Prgm “Away Activate†If Folder 'Run If Away' is True Then Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Scenes / Away Scenes / Away' Off Wait 2 seconds Set Scene 'Scenes / Away Scenes / Away' Off Wait 2 seconds Run Program 'Away Activate' (Else Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Also I had added some KPL buttons in the Away scene which were indicators for other devices and because you cannot set the on/off level of the KPL buttons in a scene I found it necessary to Call the scene Off instead of On to turn the KPL buttons Off when the scene was activated. The other suggestion is, and if I remember correctly that your conditions for alarm stay and alarm disarmed were the same, I would just reference your programs to the Alarm Away (either true or false depending on what your program needs are) program, not the Alarm Disarmed / Stay status program. This way when you arm the alarm for stay it doesn’t cause your programs to re-evaluate. Hope that makes sense, and helps. Tim Link to comment
mitch236 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share Posted June 11, 2010 I have the two folders set up so that the true/false statements only involve the Alarm Away status but I find the ISY still assesses the true folders even when the status change doesn't change the validity of the folder's If statement. IOW, if the alarm status changes from Alarm Stay to Disarmed the DSC sends a status change to the ISY and the ISY responds and runs the program folder that has the If statement, "If status Alarm Away is False" even though that folder is already running. The ISY's programming for this would be better if the If statement could be made to say, "If the status changes to Alarm Away is False" Your other suggestion of creating a Scene for controlling my Alarm Away lighting has an issue. If you look at my program you will see I put a bunch of 5 second waits in there to give the ISY time to keep up with all the changes. I could write a repeat into the program but it may not run because of the Stop command at the end. Link to comment
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