How do you test a KeypadLinc button?

[ricke]

When looking at the buttons for an INSTEON KeyPadLinc in the ISY admin console I don't see a way to click on a button/address in the lighting list and send an on/off or toggle command too it like you can do for switchlincs. Anyway to test those commands?

 

Thanks,

Rick

[TJF1960]

The secondary KPL buttons cannot be turned on and off directly by the ISY but have to be included in a scene, the scene then can be turned on/off directly by the ISY. I believe it is defined by Insteon and not a limitation of ISY.

[andyf0]

Add each button into a scene and turn the scene on and off. You can't control the buttons directly as a device, you have to add them to a scene even if the button is the only device in the scene.

 

Edit: Beaten to it.

[ricke]

That was it. I had manually configured my KeypadLinc before getting the ISY-99. Some buttons directly operated a SwitchLinc and the rest operated a scene. It was the scenes as you said that couldn't be turned on directly from the button.

 

OK, so here is what I can't figure out. ISY read in the manual scenes I had previously created and called them things like Scene 27. How can I remove the scenes currently assigned to a KeyPadLinc button so I can reassign a different scene? I don't see a way to edit its membership for the scenes that its a controller and responder for.

 

thanks!

Rick

[TJF1960]

Well, I have always had ISY delete any links when linking the device to the ISY, so I am not 100% positive on how to edit the links brought in with the kpl when linking to the ISY. So someone with more experience than I will hopefully chime in.

 

In the mean time can you right click on the scene or a node in the scene and delete it? Or can you right click on another device and drag it into the existing scene?

[LeeG]

TJF1960 has it exactly right. Right click the Scene 27 and delete the Scene. Define a Scene name that is meaningful and either right click on the device nodes and select Add to Scene or drag and drop.

 

FYI - the KeypadLinc firmware does not support turning Secondary buttons On/Off with Direct commands. A Secondary button can be added to an ISY Scene as a Responder and the Scene turned On/Off with the Admin Console or ISY Program. The Primary load control button can be turned On/Off with Direct commands.

[ricke]

That worked, I just deleted the old scene and that took care of the linking to the keypadlinc button. The only odd thing is before the original membership for teh button showed the button linked as a controller to the scene and inside the scene it only showed the devices being controlled.

Now when creating the new scene and adding the keypad button to the scene the keypad button shows up inside of the scene member list which while it works looks confusing. It makes it look as if the scene will control the devices in it plus that keypadlinc button.

 

Rick

[LeeG]

The KeypadLinc button can be added to a Scene as a Controller or a Responder. As a Controller it will control other Controllers as Responders and Responders. The ISY assumes a Controller is also a Responder so long as the device has Responder capability. When referencing the Scene name itself from the Admin Console or a Program the ISY PLM is the Controller and all other devices are treated as Responders. When the KeypadLinc button is physically pressed it is the Controller of the Scene and all other devices are Responders.

 

Take two devices, a SwitchLinc that is controlling the physical load and a KeypadLinc button that should also control the load. A single ISY Scene is defined with both the SwitchLinc and the KeypadLinc button as Controllers. Because the ISY assumes Controllers are also Responders the two devices will automatically be cross-linked. Either the SwitchLinc paddle or the KeypadLinc button will control the load and the status LEDs stay in sync. If the Scene name is referenced both the SwitchLinc and the KeypadLinc buttons are Responders of the ISY PLM and both react together.

 

With a few exceptions which are covered in the User Guide and/or Wiki for a particular device type, Set button links should never be created after the device is added to ISY. The ISY is not aware of the Set button link. The preference is to "erase existing links" when a device is added to the ISY and use the ISY to create all Scenes.