Difference between Admin Console and KPL Communication

[Harry]

Can someone explain to me the difference between using the Admin Console to activate a scene and using a KPL button to activate the scene.

 

I understand the scene is written to the KPL so when I press a button, the ISY is not involved. But when I use the Admin Console to activate a scene or device, do the commands come via the PLM?

 

I believe I am having a com issue because I can turn a light on/off from the Admin Console, but not from a KPL that should control the light as a responder.

 

Steve

[Harry]

Actually, it is slightly different than I first described.

 

The problem child is a Dual Band InLineLinc On/Off Relay that controls an outdoor floodlight. When I select this device from the admin console, I can correctly control it. When I put it in a scene that I call Driveway Flood, it doesn't work from the admin console or KPL. I have two KPL's in the scene as controllers (one is dual band), and the LED's for that button do light up.

 

As a side note, I have 6 access points throughout the house plus a phase coupler in each of my breaker boxes.

 

Suggestion?

[LeeG]

Harry

 

When a KeypadLinc button is pressed the KeypadLinc is the Controller and whatever devices have been linked to the Scene are Responders and react to the button press. Insteon commands flow from the KeypadLinc to the Responders and back to the KeypadLinc.

 

When a Scene is used from the Admin Console the ISY PLM is the Controller and the same Responder devices (and any other Controllers of the ISY Scene) react to the commands that flow from the ISY PLM to the Responders and back to the ISY PLM.

 

Assuming the KeypadLinc button was added to the ISY Scene as a Controller (not a Responder) it should control the same Responder devices as controlling the Scene name from the Admin Console.

 

Lee

[LeeG]

Harry

 

Is this one of the new 2475SDB Dual Band InLine Linc Relay devices?

 

What is the device type shown by the Admin Console?

 

Lee

[oberkc]

Understand, too, that ramp rates (if dimmer) and on-levels can be different based on the contoller which initiates the scene. If the PLM is the controller, then the rates and levels are defined at the scene level. If another device is a controller, it could have different rates and levels. Also, an on-level can be set to zero (off) in many devices. If this is the case, then it would appear as if a device is not responding to a command from a controller.

[Harry]

Yes, it is the new Dual Band one. It is shown as (2475SDB) Dual Band InlineLinc On/Off Switch v.3B. This device is the only one I have that shows as a responder only (in blue). The older InlineLincs that I have in the system have the Sense wire, so I guess they can also be a controller (and thus show in pink on the admin console). The IIL and KPL's are switches - not dimmers, so the admin console won't let me change the On Level to anything other than 0 or 100.

 

I did come up with a work around using a program:

 

If

Control 'Breakfast KPL Driveway Flood ILL DBS' is switched On

 

Then

Set 'Outside Driveway Flood I'LL DBS' On

 

Else

- No Actions -

 

Seems to solve the issue, but...

 

Steve

[LeeG]

Harry

 

That is a known problem with the newest Dual Band InLine Linc Relay. It will not respond to a Scene. The device firmware is expecting something new in the link record. The issue will be resolved in a future ISY image.

 

Until then the work around using Direct commands is the solution.

 

Lee

[Harry]

Thanks for the info. Is there a link with instructions on how to update the firmware for a device when it becomes available?

 

Steve

[LeeG]

This will be an update to the ISY firmware. All images as they become available are posted under the Forum category Current Releases, Betas, and Bug Reports. The announcement for each new image includes information on fixes and enhancements as well as a link to the new image for download and install procedures. The ISY Help | Manually Upgrade My Lighting function loads the new image.

[Harry]

Just so I understand terms better, when you say 'Direct Commands', you are talking about programming, right? For an InlineLinc Relay, linking it to a SwitchLinc or KeypadLnc, is creating a scene - and that is what is where the known issue is ...?

 

I am slowly catching on, I think.

 

Steve

[LeeG]

Correct. The Program you posted is using Insteon Direct commands to control the InLineLinc. Also the buttons at the bottom of an individual device display under the Admin Console use Insteon Direct commands.

 

Using an ISY Scene name in a Program or pressing a button/paddle on a device uses Insteon Scene (Group) commands. It is these Scene (Group) commands that are not working.

[Harry]

Thanks.

 

It is good to know that I am not having a comm issue again. And the work-around does the job (for now).

 

Steve