IOLinc Garage Relay KeypadLinc and ISY99IR Pro Advice

[watchdog507]

I'm installing my second Garage IOLinc and door sensor. I've also got a three way light in the garage and I'm planning on using an 8 button Keypad linc and a linked switch to control the light.

 

What configuration should I use so that I can control and see the status of the respective garage doors and also control the light as a three way on the Keypad linc?

[LeeG]

Unfortunately that is like asking should I buy a Chevy or a Ford. There are several ways to use an I/O Linc, no one way is better than the other.

 

The first choice is yours; do you want the I/O Linc Sensor to be On when the door is open or On when the door is closed?

 

Once that choice is made it dictates which wires to use, red/black or green/black.

 

The next choice is how the open/close status will be displayed versus how the garage door opener will be controlled. Some folks like door open/close status and opener control to be rolled into a single KeypadLinc button. There is an example on the UDI Wiki for that setup. I don't like that approach, several others are very happy with it and I'm sure they can/will help if you want to implement the UDI Wiki garage example.

 

The I/O Linc Relay must be in one of the Momentary modes, A,B,C. Which option is chosen can be dictated by the above choice of how many KeypadLinc buttons will be used for status display and opener control.

 

I suggest looking over the Wiki example as a starting point.

[watchdog507]

Right now I have one garage door connected. It is in momentary mode "c" and the IOLinc shows the led on when the door is open. I prefer this setup. My understanding is that buttons on the keypadlinc toggle so I'm ok with this configuration. I would like the adjacent button to the door switch to show if the door is open. I'll look at the page that you suggested. Thanks.

[LeeG]

That part is easy. Define an ISY Scene. Add the I/O Linc Sensor as a Controller and the KeypadLinc button that represents door status (opened/closed) as a Responder. When the I/O Linc Sensor turns On as the door opens the KeypadLinc button will light. When the door closes the Sensor turns Off and the KeypadLinc button will turn Off.

[Teken]

That part is easy. Define an ISY Scene. Add the I/O Linc Sensor as a Controller and the KeypadLinc button that represents door status (opened/closed) as a Responder. When the I/O Linc Sensor turns On as the door opens the KeypadLinc button will light. When the door closes the Sensor turns Off and the KeypadLinc button will turn Off.

 

The only problem as LeeG mentioned with using one KPL button to turn on / off the OH Garage Door. Is that the act of pressing the KPL button a second time to close the OH Garage Door will turn off the KPL LED before the door has actually closed.

 

Using a remote control, or any hard wired OH Garage Door opener will in fact display the correct state of the door though.

 

As aside: I am using a SmartLinc along with an ApplianceLinc to show me the door status independently of the ISY system.

 

The reason for this is to ensure a level of access, confirmation, and feed-back. I work in a very high security environment and thus at times our fire wall blocks remote access to the ISY's true status of devices.

 

Regards

 

Teken . . .

[oberkc]

Is that the act of pressing the KPL button a second time to close the OH Garage Door will turn off the KPL LED before the door has actually closed.

 

For this reason, it is important that the KPL button be configured in "non-toggle on" (of course, the relay has to be configured to respond to "on" commands). This way, the only way for the KPL light to be off is from a sensor command. Being configured in this way gives one a high confidence that KPL off means garage door closed.

 

I am one of those that LeeG mentioned as a fan of the wiki approach.

[Teken]

Is that the act of pressing the KPL button a second time to close the OH Garage Door will turn off the KPL LED before the door has actually closed.

 

For this reason, it is important that the KPL button be configured in "non-toggle on" (of course, the relay has to be configured to respond to "on" commands). This way, the only way for the KPL light to be off is from a sensor command. Being configured in this way gives one a high confidence that KPL off means garage door closed.

 

I am one of those that LeeG mentioned as a fan of the wiki approach.

 

oberkc,

 

Would you mind documenting each of the steps to achieve this end goal. As I have tried this several times with out success, while others have done the same with positive results. I am trying to understand what steps were missed, or omitted while this task was done.

 

This will also benefit the forum members in the future should they come across this same problem.

 

Regards

 

Teken . . .

[oberkc]

Well...I can speak only of generalities at this point (away from home). This setup is for those who want to use a single KPL button to control a garage door, and simultaneously display its status.

 

First is sensor position. It is arguably important to understand that the sensor has two states: on and off. If the sensor is physically located such that the magnet and sensor are adjacent to each other when the garage door is closed, then this state means "fully closed" and the other state means "not fully closed". In my mind, from a security standpoint, "not fully closed" is the same as "open". It is for this reason that I consider this the superior location for the sensor, rather than the alternative to mount is where the magnet and sensor are adjacent when the door is fully (or any other state of) opened.

 

Second, I wanted my KPL button to be "off" when closed, and "on" when open (any degree). This means that the sensor must be wired so that its state is off when closed and on when open. I recall the instructions that came with the kit were less than clear on how to do this, but it had to do with using the correct two wires from the sensor, I think. I believe this also equates to the IOLinc LED being on when open and off when closed.

 

Third, you must configure your KPL button to be non-toggle on. Since I was most concerned with being confident that the door was fully closed, indicated by KPL button being off, I did not want the ability to turn the KPL button off by manual presses. I wanted only one way to turn the KPL button off: by a command from the sensor.

 

Fourth, you must configure the relay portion to respond to "on" commands only. Since the KPL is in non-toggle "on" mode, it would send only "on" commands. I wanted the relay (and connected opener) to respond to all KPL button presses, the same as the mechanical button in the garage. I don't recall the setting, but I think it was "momentary B", but you should look it up to be sure. The mode where relay response based on sensor position (momentary C?) won't work here.

 

Lastly, create two scenes. One with sensor (controller) and KPL (responder). The second with KPL (controller) and relay (responder).

 

I believe ALL these steps must be taken because how all this works together. I don't think you can pick and choose the options that you like without understanding how it all plays together. There are a lot of details. Hopefully, I was clear and did not forget any.

[Teken]

Well...I can speak only of generalities at this point (away from home). This setup is for those who want to use a single KPL button to control a garage door, and simultaneously display its status.

 

First is sensor position. It is arguably important to understand that the sensor has two states: on and off. If the sensor is physically located such that the magnet and sensor are adjacent to each other when the garage door is closed, then this state means "fully closed" and the other state means "not fully closed". In my mind, from a security standpoint, "not fully closed" is the same as "open". It is for this reason that I consider this the superior location for the sensor, rather than the alternative to mount is where the magnet and sensor are adjacent when the door is fully (or any other state of) opened.

 

Second, I wanted my KPL button to be "off" when closed, and "on" when open (any degree). This means that the sensor must be wired so that its state is off when closed and on when open. I recall the instructions that came with the kit were less than clear on how to do this, but it had to do with using the correct two wires from the sensor, I think. I believe this also equates to the IOLinc LED being on when open and off when closed.

 

Third, you must configure your KPL button to be non-toggle on. Since I was most concerned with being confident that the door was fully closed, indicated by KPL button being off, I did not want the ability to turn the KPL button off by manual presses. I wanted only one way to turn the KPL button off: by a command from the sensor.

 

Fourth, you must configure the relay portion to respond to "on" commands only. Since the KPL is in non-toggle "on" mode, it would send only "on" commands. I wanted the relay (and connected opener) to respond to all KPL button presses, the same as the mechanical button in the garage. I don't recall the setting, but I think it was "momentary B", but you should look it up to be sure. The mode where relay response based on sensor position (momentary C?) won't work here.

 

Lastly, create two scenes. One with sensor (controller) and KPL (responder). The second with KPL (controller) and relay (responder).

 

I believe ALL these steps must be taken because how all this works together. I don't think you can pick and choose the options that you like without understanding how it all plays together. There are a lot of details. Hopefully, I was clear and did not forget any.

 

oberkc,

 

That was a most excellent write up! Follow question though, do you have any other check box's selected in the options window?

 

Case in point do you have the *Relay follows input* enabled?

 

Teken . . .

[LeeG]

Do not use the "Relay follows Input" option. That will turn the Relay On when the Sensor turns On. Can stop the door movement prematurely. It is like pressing the manual button after the door starts to move. Most openers will stop door movement at the point as a safety feature.

[Teken]

Do not use the "Relay follows Input" option. That will turn the Relay On when the Sensor turns On. Can stop the door movement prematurely. It is like pressing the manual button after the door starts to move. Most openers will stop door movement at the point as a safety feature.

 

LeeG,

 

I just read about this a few seconds before you replied. Thank you again for the clarification and

insight as always.

 

Teken . . .