Nuttycomputer

I would recommend if you need to disable an entire suite of programs instead of trying to keep track of the variables in each program it might also be easier to put the programs in a folder and then add conditions to the folder.

I would follow the already listed suggestions. As for what the problem is, so you can get a greater understanding of programing with the ISY, is the wait statement in your program. Currently when the ISY comes across a Wait or Repeat statement the program is re-evaluated. Knowing this lets go back to your program and break it down. My comments in red: If Status 'MS-Garage-Sensor' is On Program triggers when motion sensor reports status ON Then Set Scene 'Motion - Garage' On Lights Turn ON Wait 30 minutes Program told to wait 30 minutes. During this time it re-evaluates IF Statement Set Scene 'Motion - Garage' Off Lights turned OFF - But due to the wait statement this is only performed if the IF Statement is still true. Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') As you can see your lights will only turn off after 30 minutes IF the Motion Sensor is still ON, and if it has remained status ON the entire time. With a timeout of 2 minutes the program could be restarting multiple times and never reaching the Turn off phase of your program. Even if it did reach that point it would turn off while someone was moving around in the last two minutes. As you noticed this is not the desired effect. Edit: I thought I would include a sample program I'm using to control my inside holiday lights. My wife wants them to come on whenever it is night and she is in the room so I'm using an existing motion sensor. The motion sensor is set to timeout after 30 minutes. If Status 'Main Floor / Motion - Sensor' is On And Program 'Night.Define' is True Then Set Scene 'Main Floor / Christmas - Inside' On Else Set Scene 'Main Floor / Christmas - Inside' Off In this case assuming no motion after 30 minutes the status of the sensor will turn to Off, The IF Statement will be FALSE so the ELSE will run turning off the holiday lights.

Updated the original post to include the full programs with comments It was in essence a morse code program. The first program controlled the lights on the Left side of my house while the second program controlled the lights on the right side of my house. Unfortunately it must be a dying art as my neighbors just seemed to think it was cool that they would flash "randomly" 73s to you all and hope you have a good new year coming up.

Is the motion sensor used for any other purposes? If it is just being primarily used to send notification and turn on lights it seems to me the easiest method to resolve this would be using the motion sensor timer itself. For example I have a motion sensor controlling a set of lights I only want to come on at night. Instead of a wait statement it looks more like this: If Status 'Main Floor / Motion - Sensor' is On And Program 'Night.Define' is True Then Set Scene 'Main Floor / Night Lights - Inside' On Else Set Scene 'Main Floor / Night Lights - Inside' Off On the motion sensor settings I have the timeout set to 30 minutes so it won't turn status off until no motion has been detected for 30 minutes.

Sorry no video - Though that might give a better representation of what I was achieving with these programs. Wizard, sounds like you probably got it In some areas I used functions of the ISY simply to lesson my confusion, readability, and time even when they provided no actual changes. For example the Repeat 1's back to back. arw01 - As far as I know looking into light shows w/ music Insteon simply isn't fast or accurate enough compared to a controller/architecture designed for that purpose. For example my programs above - I ran it only on Christmas Eve and Christmas Night. Otherwise even the 1 second waits with both programs running seems to keep the ISY very busy. Trying to sync all that with music and a few more devices would be out of the question I would imagine. Plus the time required compared to some of the software I've seen specific for light shows. I to will give the rest of the day for others to take a look at it. Then I'll probably edit my original post to include the comments field

Merry Christmas and Holidays to everyone! A friend of mine stayed over recently and saw I was using home automation to turn on/off my lights this year. Both inside and outside. He thought it was cool but boring and suggested the following idea which I then put into the following two programs. May not be an original idea completely but I had some fun with it see if anyone knows why: Edited to include the entire two programs. To initiate them I used a very basic 3rd program that started them at night and stopped them in the morning. Merry.Morse If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Wait 5 seconds Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Repeat 2 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' Off Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Outlet' On Wait 15 seconds Run Program 'Merry.Morse' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Merry -- . .-. .-. -.-- X-Mas.Morse If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Wait 5 seconds Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 4 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 3 seconds Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Wait 1 second Repeat 3 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 1 second Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' Off Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Outside Appliancelinc' On Wait 15 seconds Run Program 'X-Mas.Morse' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') X-Mas -..- -....- -- .- ... Have a good one and feel free to copy and add your own devices in.

Hey Michel. So been using new firmware for a bit and noticed 2 issues. I have the 2491T Venstar firmware version 2.5. Quote above implies the clock function should work. It does not. Should it be working for this model and firmware then? Do I need to re-add? Secondly, In this new firmware this might be between Mobilinc and the ISY but the fan control is showing blank and is uncontrollable from the Mobilinc App. In previous firmware I've only seen this problem with the new Smarthome thermostats not the Venstar's.

Downloaded and upgraded. No problems yet. I am curious regarding the FanLinc options and if anyone has a guide on what does what. This is what I show listed: Program Lock RF Enabled Resume Dim LED on TX LED Backlight Key Beep All show unchecked by default it appears. Remoted into system at the moment so don't have ability to test on site yet.

Perhaps it is intermittent I was just able to get the 994i file

Interesting - they are both going to the sales page for me

Perhaps it is just me but the download link for the firmware is just forwarding me to the sales page.

I think Michel mentioned elsewhere this is going to be added. Not sure if it will be in the next beta release or not. Perhaps Michel can confirm.

Changing the default port number won't really provide any additional security against even the most basic malicious attacker. It will add a thin veil against anyone "stumbling" on to it so to speak especially if you use a domain name to access your network. Your best security protection at this point is as long a password as you can stand. Few people realize when it comes to passwords length is far more important than complexity. A 5 digit complex password is far easier to break and harder to remember than an easier to remember full length sentence. I'm not sure what the character limit is on the ISY. (Hopefully we will also get some basic permission structures in the future so we can specify admin functions usable only via LAN) In some soho routers/gateways you aren't necessarily able to specify a port number for remote https access for the gateway so I would recommend using a different default port if you want to use https to connect to your router and can't specify 8080 or something to that affect.

aLf, Networking expert here I agree with Xathros. It's a matter of preference but you should stick to one method to reduce confusion, administrative overhead, and any potential issues. Something that I'm not sure has been mentioned but what method do you use for the port forwarding the ISY requires. You mentioned when you lose remote connectivity the ISY still runs programs and a reboot fixes the issue. That sounds like it could be a UPnP issue creeping up.

I called Smarthome back today and they confirmed there is an issue when the "AC is running that it displays a higher temperature than the ambient" I personally think it is a problem more general than that and they are only seeing AC reported issues because it is summer. However, they are offering to send a Venstar Thermostat with free shipping as a replacement at no extra cost. They do charge you until they receive the 2441TH back but it's how the replacements are usually handled when dealing with them from what I've learned.

Mobilinc runs the scene the button corresponds to so the Scene settings take affect as opposed to the settings assigned to the KPL A Controller. So when you press KPL A button in Mobilinc it doesn't actually use KPL A Button Controller's settings it simply skips to the Scene and Sets it On.

Indeed. Up until about 2 weeks ago the temperature was fairly stable in the house anyway so it went unnoticed. I have mixed feelings. I think the Venstar looks okay but my wife seems to notice the difference and enjoys the look of the 2441TH more. My biggest concern is the functionality I was looking forward to. Our basement area can be +/- up to 10 degrees from where are thermostat is depending on whether the door was left closed, open, how long the fan has been running etc. I was particularly looking forward to putting a wireless slave thermostat down there so we could get better control while the area is in use. Same with our Master Bedroom for night time sleeping. I'm uncertain how else I can achieve that sort of functionality without actually spending the money to put in a full 2 zone system.

Michel, Good to know it's not completely isolated to myself and the other user in this forum topic. I too have noticed the same with the humidity sensor but since I don't use it I've not considered it an issue. The circular disk is installed in my setup. I understand this is required for fire safety reasons. The thermostat itself though has what I assume are vents all the way around to allow the surrounding air to reach the sensor. Right now though I've replaced it once and will probably go ahead and go back to the Non-Integrated Venstar version. For reference both the one I returned and the replacement are v1.0

This is slightly off topic but another user brought it up and now that we've finally started to have summer hot hot weather over here in my corner of the world I noticed the same issue with poor temperature measuring. My AC will run for hours and the thermostat will only show at most a 1 degree change even though the rest of the measuring equipment plus a Fluke IR tester shows expected changes of several degrees. I've replaced the thermostat with Smarthome with no change. Lee I wonder if you had seen the same effect.

When I saw this thread I figured I would share mine as well. I started with a simple notify system then expanded it to include an autoclose. It's actually 2 programs: Garage.CheckOpen If Status 'Outside - Garage / Garage-Sensor' is On And $GarageHold is not 1 Then Wait 30 minutes Set 'Outside - Garage / Garage Toggle' 10 (Beep Duration) Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close Warning' Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close Warning' Wait 9 minutes and 50 seconds Repeat 10 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Garage Toggle' 10 (Beep Duration) Wait 1 second Repeat 1 times Set 'Outside - Garage / Garage Toggle' On Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close' Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close' Wait 30 seconds Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close Failure' Send Notification to 'xxxx - Cell' content 'Garage Close Failure' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Hold Garage 2 Hours If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then $GarageHold = 1 Wait 2 hours $GarageHold = 0 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I'm using the ISY-994ir. I do have the newest 2441TH that is even less compatible at the moment then than the Venstar I was using. I did previously have the Venstar 2491T1E. The actual Insteon features worked flawlessly for me even though it was an I2CS device, at least I'm pretty sure it was. I had purchased mine on April 20th from Amazon though so perhaps I got a slightly older firmware revision that played nicer. The only reason I returned it was what I considered a design issue with the integrated module portion plus the new smarthome one that had came out was $30 cheaper then the 1 day and is supposed to come out with wireless master/slave thermostats in the future which I could benefit from greatly. The Venstar is still a great model in my opinion I just recommend for insteon uses getting the non-integrated version. Is the tstat the only Insteon/X10 device you are planning to add for home automation? If so perhaps the ISY is over the top for what you want to accomplish ( I still love you guys Michel ) There are stand-alone thermostats that provide remote functionality and look pretty sleek. I personally was very tempted to get one of the ecobee thermostats but it didn't fit into my overall home automation scheme so it went out the window. Perhaps this would be a better option for what you want to do?

Unfortunately I sent my Venstar back a few weeks ago. However, it was also an I2CS and functioned without issue except I had the integrated module which kept losing sync (design malfunction not hardware, the way the integrated module is placed the set button would occasionally get funky and screw everything up) so I returned for the new Smarthome one that came out. There may have been a thermostat firmware update since then that is now having issues. I'm unable to confirm as I don't think I have any traces left from the old thermostat.

Hmm.. Very odd. The UI problem was resolved with flushing the java cache so that is good. The security warning is not something to worry about. That pops up because when accessing via internet you are accessing it via HTTPS which uses Public Key Encryption. The warning is letting you know the certificate being used for encryption is Self-Signed and doesn't exactly match the URL on the certificate. When accessing a website you are expecting to be your bank or other trusted source which should have proper 3rd party signed certificates and that pops up then that is the time to worry. Do you have another system you can test with? My networking skills are still telling me some sort of URL filtering is causing it to work one way but not the other. Additionally if you make changes locally on the thermostat do those changes reflect when you query on the ISY? Are you familiar with the Diagnostics? Can you post an output of Tools > Diagnostics > Event Viewer Set to Level 3 and try to change state on tstat. I'm not as exercised in reading those outputs but I'm sure LeeG would be happy to jump back in here when you have that

Nutty, I am planning to use the Mobilinc iPhone app, but I dont want to purchase it until I see this stuff work like it is supposed to. I'd like to hear your comments on Mobilinc or comparable products if you have one. Thanks... Looking at those screenshots it looks like you may have a ui and firmware mismatch. You can confirm this by going to Help > About. Firmware and UI should both show 3.2.6. If it doesn't you need to flush your cache. Might be a good idea anyway. See instructions here: http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/ ... Java_Cache If it was a UI, Firmware mismatch you are going to want to re-add the device yet again. I'm not aware with any problems with Norton though never a bad idea to turn it off when configuring. Regarding Mobilinc: It's important to realize that in my opinion right now there seems to be a gap in the technology. Insteon seems to be designed with the intention of local physical control. Scenes and Switches so to speak. The ISY and Mobilinc bring that control into the virtual world. It's primarily a good thing in my opinion and I absolutely love my Mobilinc/ISY (a lot of that love is due to the constant support I receive from universal). However the technology lags a little bit due to responder only devices. These devices will give you a headache when trying to control them via Mobilinc and Local switches (like a KPL) Thankfully the ISY's incredible programming allows me to program my way around some of these headaches, combined with the Mobilinc's ability to add a {HIDE} tag my end user (read wife) generally doesn't know that when she turns on the fan it triggers backed programs to keep switches in sync. Just for the record I also had similar problems thanks to Avast. Was about to return the device I got so frustrated constantly resetting it to defaults when I found the cursed avast problem. I reset the firmware one more time, hopped on a machine without any anti-virus and updated, etc. Since then it has only needed to be restarted once when I changed my network topology.

No worries it can be a little daunting to start trying to understand these things. For reference a Scene is for linking two devices and you'll almost never have a device alone unless you want to adjust things like ramp rate in a program. Sounds like you've got some bigger issues to worry about right now that hopefully Michel can hook you up with resolving. I think your original problem stemmed from the antivirus not playing well with the UI. For reference though if you want to control a single device directly select it alone in the left pane tree (not a scene unless you want to control the whole scene or adjust scene options) and then you can adjust the settings in the right pane. When you make an adjustment you should see refreshing arrows appear near the setting you are adjusting followed by the change having been made. You may also find it easier to adjust the device from the web gui (instead of the admin console) or a 3rd party application.