jmesberg

Very helpful, thank you very much.

Michel, can you give me a simple example of which circumstances would warrant using a Control expression vs. a Status expression? John

I want to turn my Garage Light off 15 mins after anyone turns it on from the SwitchLinc (easy), but if the Light is turned on not by the switch, but rather by a program controlling a Scene that includes that device (i.e. "Welcome Home Lights" that goes on at 6PM every day), I don't want the Garage Light to go off after 15 mins. What would be the best way to do this? John

Worked perfectly. I think I can get my head around this logic, but frankly it might be better if ISY just 'assumed' that if Control <> ON then evaluate program checking to see if Control = ON to False. What would be the downside of UDI making this change? (I'm sure there is a downside....and by learning it I'll better understand the system). John

hmmm, not intuitive, but will give it a shot. Thank you!

I'm fairly new at this but so far all of my programs have been working as I expected and I've found the ISY programming model to be very easy to understand and use. So, here is my first failure: I'm using a KPL button to "arm" an alarm, i.e. basically just switching a variable from 0 to 1 to indicate "Armed". Here it is: If Control 'Keypads / KPL2-Arm Alarm' is switched On Then $AlarmArmed = 1 Else $AlarmArmed = 0 Since I used Control vs Status I assumed that anytime the KPL button is "On" then the variable $AlarmArmed would be 1, and vice versa. Here is what actually happens: With Variable manually set to 0 I push KPL button => variable is now set to 1. All good. Now I push KPL button "Off" and while I'd expect Variable to then set back to 0 it does not....stays at 1. Huh? Should I go back to using Status? If so, please explain why. John

az1324, is this a fix that UDI has to make (writing the group 4 messages) or something I can address as a user? I've been an INSTEON user for years but I don't even know what "group 4 messages" are! I am about to install a leak sensor to forestall a repeat of our $10,000 repair bill for a sewer backup and I need to be sure I can track when its out of power. Dumb that Smarthome didn't provide a low battery event from the device, but sounds like this heartbeat process will work if ISY supports.

Thank you Michel. Glad to hear that you are keeping your UI options open! Also, thank you for your offer on help with my Java situation. I think I'm OK right now. I've learned that on Macs you must have an instance of Apple's Java 6 SE running on your machine even if you're also running Java 7. I was trying to run with only Java 7 but Apple, as far as I can tell, makes that basically impossible. Thanks again, John

thanks Brian H, but these are a little off-topic. Appreciate the effort to help however. Anyone else out there who can help me with this? John

Update. I completely uninstalled all versions of Java. Then I reinstalled Java 7 from Oracle. Now my Terminal java -version check shows no version at all running! Yet my system preferences shows I have Java 7 (1.7.0_11) happily installed. Needless to say the .jnlp will still not run (normal admin URL runs fine, just not .jnlp). Any Mac guys out there who can help with this mess? John

I've managed to confuse my Mac when installing latest java JRE from Oracle. My java pane in System Preferences thinks I'm running 1.7.0_11 but when I go into Terminal and type java -version it appears I'm running 1.6.0_37. ISY admin.jnlp obviously doesn't like java 6 so its not starting. Help! John

Xathros, thank you. Actually I had already gotten that far -- apologies, was not at all clear in my original note. My concern is that there is no way with the .jnlp approach to maintain the application in the OS X dock. While its not that important to me (I can always launch it from apps folder), having it in the dock is essential for domestic harmony! I've looked online and this is not a UDI specific problem of course, but there are ways for Michel to solve it for us. I'm no expert in this but I believe we really need a java web start application that 'wrappers' the .jnlp so that we can treat it like a real application on the OS X desktop (and dock)? Michel, your thoughts on this would be appreciated. More broadly I'd just comment, as others have, that Java is really a dead end for UDI. With Oracle's acquisition of Sun the support for Java is getting more and more proprietary and we can already see firms like Apple moving quickly away from any use or support of Java. As a new ISY user (long-term INSTEON user), I've already developed a ton of respect for UDI and for you (Michel) in particular from spending time on this forum. However, its very obvious that UDI is missing some core UI skills in the firm and needs to fix this. The future is jQuery and it really shouldn't be a massive effort to rewrite this pretty simple UI in jQuery. You're going to run into market pressures to do this and I think its time to give the investment strong consideration. Great company. Great product. Great forum. Glad to be part of this community. John

Hi Michel, When I run the jnlp I get "unable to create a shortcut" -- everything else works fine (i.e. I still end up with the admin program running), but I have to launch each time from the URL since I get no desktop shortcut. I'm running Safari on a Mac using Mountain Lion. Any ideas? [this is not new behavior in 3.3.10 -- I just hadn't gotten around to asking you about it before.] One other minor annoyance: the "ISY Finder" window also is launched when I run the jnlp and it stays on the screen (usually behind the admin program). John

Michel, thank you for prompt response. I'm going to chalk this one up to 'user error' at this time unless I see a repeat of this in the future. I was using the 'find devices and erase old links' option when installing a bunch of devices and I guess it was just taking longer than I expected and got impatient. John

Michael, I am a very pleased new owner of a new ISY-994 (taking over duties from my former Indigo setup). One problem however: Each time I add new Insteon devices, the "Initializing System" dialog repeats over and over and over again -- never seems to stop. I've been able to quit the applet and be seemingly OK upon restart, but this clearly isn't expected behavior. Any thoughts? John Mesberg