lilyoyo1

I'm not saying they work with the Isy. Just stating what happens with an unsupported device

You can add them to the Isy or any controller now without any work. It would show up as an unsupported device. You'd be able to control it as it uses the same commands but wouldn't receive status from them. Feature wise, you wouldn't be able to change the modes from dimmer to relay, update the firmware, or adjust light levels the way you would if the controller actually knew about it. Manually connected to another insteon device, the paddle would always be a relay and the dial a dimmer. With the keypad, you wouldn't be able to change the button for the load, change modes (relay/dimmer), nor firmware updates. Most likely, any new features will be geared towards the avg user not power user wish lists. Maybe down the road (waaay down the road), but it's not something I'd hold my breath for.

They don't use the word triac either but it's a given that a triac is being used for dimming. The fact that they are saying to make certain dimming mode isn't enabled tells me they aren't simply increasing the speed to mimic a relay.

I little birdie ?. https://www.nokia.com/shop/en_us/smart-lighting/nokia-smart-lighting-paddle/

Michel has already stated 994 sales would continue which I believe will continue for some time. However, I have a hard to seeing it lasting an indefinite amount of time once polisy is fully functional. Financially and time wise, i just don't see it. Are you referring to new users or old users? I'd say isy sales are bigger than polisy since you need an ISY for polisy at this time. Once fully functional, new users wouldn't know about the Isy price point. Comparable controllers are within the polisy price point (actually more expensive). Those thinking polisy is too expensive may pass up on it and look for cheaper options. At that point, they're looking at the free open source options which even the Isy cannot compete with when it comes to pricing. Remeber- Isy with zwave was once 300+ as well (including PLM) and still sold

Its not a slight. Just saying the whole story.

We all know it happened but I'm not sure if it was ever truly determined as to why. For all the different systems and setups, it only happened with the Isy.

But these don't work with those hubs.

A person still owning one vs having to buy a new one is different than what I'm referring to. Don't get me wrong, I don't see the 994 going away for some years in regards to being sold. I do think it will eventually be replaced by polisy. I don't know UDI's plan, I just don't see it

That would be interesting, though I wonder how well it would work in regards to firmware updates since those come from their servers. I guess, a person could always own the hub for those

The way I see this is the fewer SKUs is dropping dead weight from insteon. With new ownership, I imagined they looked at sells and how stuff fit together and decided to trim the fat off. As power users, we see a reduction and think one thing but as a company it's really another. From their viewpoint it's cheaper to cut it out. One, they have to continue buying/making slow selling product. Then there's shipping costs, and storage costs on top of that. Does it make sense to continue that for something they aren't making money on long term to keep a few happy? I did the same with my business. What I installed in the beginning was much greater than I do now. What I was making compared to the amount of work I was doing didn't add up. The same applies to them. Previous ownership was more concerned about quantity than they were about quality and actual use. New ownership wants to plot a different path. Ive said it before debating with @Teken we're ahead of the times and a dinosaur at the same time. What the consumer population as a whole wants is a lot different than what we want. None of these companies are catering to us. We are putting systems together that's being designed for the other 97% of people with the expectation that we are what matters. Personally, I think I stein as we know it will be done for once this line matures. This is the new insteon. No different than when dual band devices were released. They kept the old stuff around for a while then finally cut it free. The Isy99 was sold alongside the 994 until it wasn't. The 994 will continue to be sold alongside polisy for the next few years until it's not. It makes no sense from a business perspective (long term) to continue coding for 2 separate systems once polisy is fully functional. I just don't see the point in having 2 separate product lines when you can accomplish the same with 1.

I doubt they release the information on it anytime soon to develop a nodeserver for it. Down the road maybe but not initially

The devices themselves operate on 50/60hz and up to 240v

Its not the issue. Your firmware does need to be updated though

Customer support either doesn't know about it or wouldn't say so even if they did.

I thought you were talking about the customer needing expertise on their load type. I was saying that's on them to be aware

Sometimes it's on the consumer to actually take time to read...Judging by some of the posts on here, I know it's rare but that's on them not the company

Its worth a try to see what his counter offer would be

I wouldn't do that. I don't have that many backups

I just looked at the eBay post you're talking about. I can't believe people are bidding that high.....it's tempting.

Currently it's for the Nokia line but articles says it will support popular insteon devices in the future. The insteon code is the same so it's a matter of them being added to the database. I think for now, they'll hold off on that to build this line up vs people going for standard insteon devices and using this hub

If it sells, I have a few i need to put on there. ?

They'll continue to support both though I do think it'll actually replace the insteon line once it matures in the future. I see the same thing happening with Polisy and the Isy. Why have 2 lines to support that does the same thing?

They have not abandoned the PLM. The bridge only has an Ethernet port

If they aren't blinking when you walk by then most likely the batteries are dead. If not, they could've lost connection and need to be restored. Either way they need to be taken down