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I am with shannong and kman on this. Variables are an unnecessary complication in this case, and STATUS is the correct condition. The suggested progrm will actually do more than you ask. In addition to sending a notice at 9 if the door is open, it will send a notice anytime between 9 and 630 if the door is open, or opened, during this period. This appears consistent with where you were you headed using variables.

This is the way I would do it. I suspect that this cannot be done by scene, alone, so programs are the way. Yes, this could probably be done with fewer programs, and purdueguy has one good suggestion. No, not based on what you state that you want to happen. The "adjust scene"command would be if you are trying to change ON levels of a scene for a given controller. If, for example, you wanted to have the KPL scene controller turn on the lights to 50% at certain times of the day, and 90% at other times of the day, then you would use the "adjust scene" command.

I, too, prefer the reliability of sunset/sunrise times, but I can see where there is value in making adjustments for cloudy days and mornings. It might be nice to have lights on earlier if it gets dark early due to cloud cover.

This program neither allows or prohibits anything. This program, by itself, will simply turn off a device called 'Great Room / GR Night KPL' when the condition is met. If you are asking whether one could create a program that would turn a KPL button off in response to all "downstairs" lights being off and all "stairs lights" being on, the answer is YES. Whether this specific program could do so, it is hard to tell because I see not way to make a distinction between downstairs lights and stairs lights. It appears to me that you may be struggling with understanding or explaining your requirements. You originally stated that you wanted to be able to press a KPL button and have some lights turn on and some lights turn off. If your intention for this button is simply to have this response EVERY time you press the button, then put it in non-toggle mode and create a program or scene that sets the light levels as you wish. Now you ask: This is a different question, in my mind. Are you asking whether you can manually turn OFF the KPL button, or whether a program can be set up to turn off the KPL button in response to a set of conditions? Is this the same KPL button that is the subject of your original question? Perhaps it would be a good idea to restate your entire set of requirements for this KPL button.

if they are in non-toggle OFF mode, they should blink a couple of times, then turn off. If in non-toggle ON mode, they should blink a couple of times, then stay on. Is this how they are behaving? Yes, this is not surprising. If you want some buttons to turn off in response to presses of other buttons, you would have to create additional scenes, or add buttons to existing scenes. Perhaps it best to summarize everything that you want to happen when you press the various keypad buttons.

If control switch is set on Or control switch is set fast on Then Wait set time Set lights off Else Yes, a running timer will reset if the switch is turned on again.

Are you on your home network (same network as ISY) or outside?

Is it possible that both have an x-10 address assigned?

Yes, it could be a bug in one of the newer versions of software for the ISY. i do not recall any earlier problems reported like this, but perhaps nobody has yet to notice any relationship between lost links and program changes. Can you demonstrate the problem consistently? Can you recreate the scenario that resulted in your missing links? I must admit that the idea that a program change would have an affect on link records is hard for me to imagine, but my knowledge of the detailed relationship between the ISY and PLM is conceptual at best, and based on assumptions and knowledge from others around here. My sense is that the folks at universal devices would be more than happy to investigate the possibility, but that this will be a little difficult without being able to reliably demonstrate a problem.

. Not if you configure a button as NON TOGGLE OFF or NON TOGGLE ON Right click on the desired button within the scene. Is there an option to delete from the scene?

This was how I would have guessed as well, but this would have also been fine for this application. Of course, there would have been a couple of extra (and unnecessary) OFF commands transmitted, but I suspect this would have been unnoticed.

Well...thanks to the input of apostolakisl ald test of larryllix, I would conclude that the codiotion of If time is from 0800 To sunrise (same day) Would be perfect for this application.

Have you tried the simple approach of: On Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri From 5:50:00AM To Sunrise (same day) Or On Sat, Sun From 8:00:00AM To Sunrise (same day) I must admit that I am unsure what happens with a program when the FROM time is after the TO time. Perhaps you could create a temprary program as an experiment to find out? From A couple of minutes from now To A minute from now Then Else Then watch the program status as the times pass. If the program stays FALSE, you are golden with the suggested simple approach.

It appears that one of the considerations on the wiki is to minimize communication traffic over the powerlines, so they try to avoid sending an ON command to devices and scenes that are already on. I have never seen the need to be overly concerned about this in my house. My programs and needs are relatively simple.

Oooh! Three-phase power concerns me. There is a recent thread somewhere talking about whether the RF relies on the voltage sine wave crossing points as a reference. If so, I cannot help but wonder if access points are effective on phases other than 180 degrees apart. I am unsure if this was resolved, but I think I would seek smarthome advice on this.

This makes me suspect that you have at least one motion sensor as controller in you scene. Please double check that this is not the case. WRT your program, I believe the best approach is even simpler: If Control MS1 is turned on Or control MS2 is turned on Or control MS3 is turned on Them Turn on scene Wait x minutes Turn off scene Else So nothing

Is this posted program named "motion detected"? Or is "motion detected" a different program. If the former, I see nothing in this program that would ever cause it to execute the ELSE path (and turn false). If the letter, please post it as well. I am still waiting for you response to earlier questions regarding scene members, including controllers and responders.

You have a lot of things going on here, and I can think of several possibilities. You have a program AND scenes? You may need to describe both. LeeGs suggestion to post the program is a good one. Also, as LeeG suggests, one of the problems may be in motion sensor configuration. Things that are going through my mind: Is your motion sensor sending ON only or does it send ON and OFF commands? Is your program based on STATUS or CONTROL conditions? Is your motion sensor a controller in your scenes that include the lamplincs? Do you have any unsaved changes to programs or motion sensor configuration? Is your PLM seeing the motion sensor commands? Answers to questions like that will be important to isolate this problem.

I know only what I can read from the manual, but it seems to me you would use the "latching" mode. Hot and neutral to the module, switched hot (from the three-way switches) to the sense, and fixture hot to the module "load" wire. Are you familiar with three-way wiring? There are several variations, but be aware that this will likely be easiest for you if power is introduced at the fixture. If you have a configuration where power is introduced at one of the switches, you may not have enough conductors to make this work without additional cabling. If this is the case, you may want to consider putting the micromodule in the switch box that feeds the fixture.

Access points are insteon devices available from smarthome. They are relatively easy to find with your favorite search engine. Or you can go to smarthome and search for "access point". The part number is 2443. The web page is: http://www.smarthome.com/2443/Access-Po ... and/p.aspx By "properly placed", I mean in accordance with the manual for the access points. The purpose of the access points are more than one, but I suggest them as a means to provide communication between the legs of your electrical system.

This program should run, as near I can tell. I don't think you are missing anything obvious. I do not believe an accidental off is a problem. Were this me, I would watch the ISY event viewer and have someone activate the motion sensor. Does the event viewer register the detection? I suspect this is where the problem lies. If the event viewer fails to register the detection, I would be looking for are communication issues or link record errors. If it DOES register the motion, but the program fails to run, I would be looking at whether the program is disabled, or in a folder that is disabled. The fact that the motion sensor can communicate via scene to another insteon device is not conclusive evidence that it is communicating with the ISY/PLM.

While I have not yet used one, it is my understanding that this is within the capability of a micro module. If the light is a plug-in device, a syncrolinc does this, and most lamplincs have local sense capability. Regarding insteon switches on a three-way....it is either all or nothing with insteon. You cannot mix and match insteon and standard switches. I am unsure if this was your intention, but wanted to be sure that this was clear. If, however, your intention is to power the fixture from the load wire of the micromodule, perhaps you could get away with one insteon switch and one mechanical switch (another example of something I have not tried).

If your lights are turning on in ways that you dont expect from your programs, confirm by ceching last run time for the program to see if it coincides with the unexpected lighting activation. Yes, my motion sensors can be activated by cars and leaves and many things.

This tends to suggest to me that the old passive coupler was not necessarily useful for insteon. I believe you need to find a way to communicate between the legs of your electrical system. I also believe two properly-placed access points are the best way to do this.

Yes, there is sometimes a noticeable delay when using programs. This can get even more noticeable as quality of communications drop.