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Chuck I see what you're saying. This method has worked fairly well for an outside driveway floodlights. Here are 2 things to try with the MS - Up the wait time in the program a little, 15 seconds at a time and see if that helps. - If changing the wait didn't help, reset the MS. I know my MSs get fussy if I've been doing a lot of setting changes, or if the battery goes low. I would try a factory reset, and then restore device (and make sure the battery is good) Paul

Joe CIrcling back to the beginning of the thread, the experiments for getting this to work have unfortunately failed, and possible a configuration file got corrupted in trying. If clearing all three options of clearing the Java cache and reinstalling the app doesn't restore the original behavior, I would submit a ticket to UDI to get things back to the original state. Paul

Ideally the ISY should show that node as on for low battery, however if you rebooted your ISY, it may show off. I wouldn't necessarily trust it. I change my battery proactively twice a year, early fall and late spring, to avoid getting to this situation. I also have a number of low voltage lighting transformers. Those create line noise, as can LEDs. The difference is that they should always go on, but once turned on the noise flooded the switches ability to respond further, sometimes even with dual band devices. (If some low voltage lights and LEDs were already on when the MS triggers, that complicates this explanation) Since it takes several MS senses to trigger On, I would first explore the path Lee suggested, replacing the battery and and factory resetting it, put it in linking mode and restoring it. Before the biannual battery changes, my MS used to need this procedure from time to time. Paul

Joe Yes, sorry.. The finder will find any running ISYs, and that's finder doing its job(with unique IP addresses, we recently learned in this thread). And that's also what would show up if you plugged in a new ISY. You can add and delete additional references to the ISY, but the finder will display what it finds on the network. The ISY swap is not an issue. Paul

Joe I don't see this being a problem, as the dead ISY will be off of the network. I just deleted my ISY from the ISY finder and added it back in. If you had an ISY die, delete it from the finder list and add the new one. I recently swapped my router. My ISY is statically addressed, and it came back as static and everything worked once I added all of my other assigned devices in the DCHP mapping table. Paul

Joe- Since the UUID is the MAC, probably yes. Not sure how the ISY uses either or MAC and IP for hailing vs communicating. Decisions about these two fields is usually left to the router, and router functions like DHCP, CTF and L2 forwarding. To DennisC's other point, keep both ISYs in their working locations and have 2 entries in the finder; use the local LAN NAT IP for ISY #1, and the fully qualified DNS name and port for ISY#2 and access in place from location #1. Your slowest uplink speed on either side will be the constraint. Paul

Joe- Yeh wasn't sure. Like DennisC, I've had 2 addresses in mine before for the same ISY... one for when locally connected via LAN, and one for external WAN connection through port redirection. I got rid of the external address and port redirection when I started using the portal. Wasn't sure if the finder would get confused by the same IP with 2 MACs Paul

Joe Per post #3, one recommendation was to try and create a second entry in the ISY Finder. - Start the admin console but cancel instead of logging in - Click on the ISY finder to bring it to the foreground - Shut down ISY #1, leave the ISY finder running - Attach ISY #2 to the network and start it - Use the finder to Add a new ISY: HTTP://ISY - Connect and login to it Paul

FWIW, I have 2 sets of outside lights controlled by a MS. Its also linked to 3 keypad keys on 3 keypads to turn on the lights, or show that the MS did turn them on. The MS uses "on only" and a program turns it off after a wait. The keys always turned everything on and off, and the program always turned things off. However, after some period of having it, I began having intermittent firing of the 2 outside light switches from the MS, after enough movement the would both come on. Assumed it was the MS, tried batteries, etc. I solved this with a spare access point, trying it in a number of locations in the house between the MS and the panel where the PLM is. The last location worked for reasons that I can't explain, but it now fires correctly all the time. If you have a spare access point or dual band module, this might be worth a try. Paul

Joe If you use 4a or b from the directions, its a one time download of the admin.jnlp java executable to your computer. After it installs, it will add a blue admin icon with a globe and a house. That java app is then on your local system. Normal networking applies. If you put a local NAT address in the isy finder, no it won't go to the internet. If you use a NAT address`and your ISY is across the internet, it will. If you look at the ISY Portal, that may be a product that can help you securely, as well as not having to move the ISY to modify it or use a VPN. Paul

Joe If you download the admin java app to your computer, and run it locally, the ISY finder starts automatically, its a smaller window that pops to the top. It uses UPNP to find your ISY, if you have that activated. If you go back to the page in Current Releases, Beta and Bugs for your particular release, there will be a link to download the admin console under step 4. a) Paul

Joe- I agree with Teken that is an unusual way to do this and "against the grain" of how ISY's are managed. The UUID is the same as the Ethernet Mac address, which is also used to locate the ISY. The UUID is unique to a particular device and explains why you are seeing this behavior... ISY #2 has a different MAC address than ISY #1 and the ISY finder is confused. I haven't tried this, but what will probably work is to create a separate entry in the ISY finder, after connecting ISY #2. Since I've never done this, I don't know that the finder will allow two entries for the same local IP address, and have no way to know how it will work. You would then pick the correct ISY off of the ISY finder on the PC. Suggested alternative: If you are trying to keep 2 homogenous runtime network environments for the ISYs to run in, I would suggest using router assigned DHCP, and having the router assign the ip address to the ISY on each local network. The address could be the same ip when running them separately, but supply 2 different addresses where locally on the same LAN. That will give you the same ip address in each separate network. Network # 1 (Where #1 is always used, and #2 is sometimes used too) ISY #1 192.168.0.10 ISY #2 192.168.0.11 (when its located together with #1) Network #2 ISY #2 192.168.0.10 (when its on its own network) Paul

For that much, I would consider an HVAC supplier / contractor, especially if you can present yourself as a contractor.

If things are happening faster than I thought, I'll call it a good day . I might put that post under the tree this year The portal will give me a clean way to access my had pages from my heavily locked down corporate laptop, as well as my tablet, while travelling. I know that the UDI team and Benoit work very hard in the face of multiple responsibilities and a rapidly shifting technical landscape.

Great news Kman, I missed it! Paul

Jon I made an inquiry about HAD availability via the portal a while back and Michel indicated it was added to the list, but I don't think its been added yet. EDIT: Kman corrected me, its available now. Paul

Hey Teken I don't know how to do it via email. However you could use REST calls to set a variable. It does require an initial login, I think. The network module or email could be used to send a message back out Paul

No Problem, we all started at some point For 4.x or 5.x firmwares, you'll need the Network Module to see the web page option to see the ISY's folders and files. I may not be clear on what you mean by "secure". If you access the ISY default pages or HAD from another system, it will challenge you for the admin account and pw. The ISY file system does not have ACL capabilities that I have seen. You could do that if you looked for the directions for hosting the pages on your own server Paul

Accessing HAD & Security: Its always secured by the ISY.. you have to give its credentials to get access to the pages. For more recent firmwares, you can turn HAD on or off by accessing the ISY's Web page, Settings and Default UI. You'll get a "generic version" of the pages that can be customized. Modifying HAD: Do you have the Network Module? Configuring and loading HAD is under Networking / web page. If you read through the HAD wiki & forum, you'll see where me and others got great support from Benoit Mercier, the author of HAD, on how to customize it. Ultimately, copying files onto the ISY using the admin console gets tedious. After you get used to changing HAD on the ISY, there are directions in the forum for running it off of another lan web server. I use my NAS's web server to host the pages.

3. HAD: Its a UDAJAX customizable replacement for the default UDI ISY Web page. Functionally, you can use it for dashboards, control panels and reporting. As web pages, they are OS agnostic. Here is the WIki There's a forum on the board under Home Automation Dashboard, the needs to be reviewed Here are examples, and if you look in the forum, a lot more controls and capabilities exist: 4. You can run the java admin console through the Portal. My tablet device is an MS Surface which runs W10 & Java, that's what I settled on. I'm happy with it overall.

Most hardware stores have it, like home depot. I've also was able to get it from my HVAC contractor. If you're doing or have done a big job with them, they might give you what you need.

Chuck You could probably leave it in on/off, but then 2 things will be sending offs.,. not sure how it will behave. I believe that it saves batteries as well, not sending the off. Also, motion devices are associated with the dreaded all on/off. I figure less is more in both cases. Paul

Chuck The light stays on until xx minutes after the last sensed movement. The program starts anew with each sensed motion. My yard lights over my driveway work this way. Paul

Chuck I have my motion sensors set to "send on commands only". I keep the sensor and switches linked. Then I have ISY programs that watch for the "On", wait the right amount of time, then send the off. It never misses the off If ms switches on Then Wait xx Minutes Set scene light off, etc Else Paul

Homekit is not planned as Teken mentioned, primarily due partnership requirements and their effects on UDI as a business. You can search the forum for Homekit, I believe that some folks have found workarounds for using homekit without specific UDI features. Honeywell's integration is proprietary, like Homekit. I recently saw that there ITTT support for Honeywell. Its still a cloud based solution, so if you lose internet, you lose control from the ISY. If you search the forum for Honeywell ITTT, you'll see recent stories about this topic. Paul