LeeG

If using double sided tape keep in mind some tape was not meant to be removed. Could pull wall paper or paint off. 3M makes all kinds of hangers meant to be removed without damage to the wall including two sided stuff that is meant to be removed by pulling a portion of the adhesive. They have been advertising on national TV the last few weeks being used to keep pictures straight.

Did you change the Responder On Level to 100%? The ISY is setting the On Level to 0% when the I/O Linc Relay is a Responder of a Scene. What ISY firmware level is being used?

If all is as you describe the I/O Linc is defective. In Momentary C mode the Scene Off (NOT RELAY OFF) should either open the door or close the door depending on other factors. If Scene Off does not move the door in one direction or the other and the Green Sensor LED on the I/O Linc is turning On/Off as the door changes positions the I/O Linc is not working correctly. One more thing. Is the "Relay follows Sensor" option set? If so turn that option Off.

Do not use the Motion Sensor to turn the light Off. Require the light be turned Off manually as the person exits the room. That is the only way to insure the light stays On. All motion sensors detect motion not the existence of body heat. The lack of physical motion will cause the motion sensor to time out.

Thank you. Now does the Scene Off command open the door?

I asked this before but have not seen the answer. What is the Responder On Level for the I/O Linc Relay.

Which command opens the door and which command closes the door depends on various factors. Does the Scene Off command open the door?

Since that is not going to happen have you tried using a Program triggered by the Motion On to turn the responder on rather than a direct link. I use that in my Master Bath and find the Program response to be quite quick. Not as quick as a direct link for sure but not bad. Something in the .5 to 1 second range.

When you change the Responder On Level with Adjust Scene the data in the responder link record is being changed. This takes at least 3 Insteon commands to write the updates to the link record.

Let me try again. Don’t think I did a good job in the last post. Insteon Direct commands On and Off work the same way across all four Relay modes, Latching, Momentary A,B,C. The Direct On command turns the Relay On, the Direct Off command turns the Relay Off. The Direct Off command is not normally used in Momentary mode as the timeout will automatically turn the Relay Off. However, for longer timeout values and Latching mode, Direct Off will turn the Relay Off. None of this behavior is described in the Smarthome doc because no Insteon device can send Direct On/Off commands. It requires some form of home automation. The action of On/Off commands as described in the Smarthome doc is related to Scene commands only. This is because Insteon devices only send Scene commands related to On/Off. When a paddle/button/toggle is pressed a Scene command is what is sent (not a Direct command). Whether using the ISY Admin Console or MobilLinc the Scene with the I/O Linc Relay is the only mechanism that can be used for the Relay to turn On with both an On and Off command. Also the I/O Linc Relay must be in the correct Momentary mode. EDIT: thank oberkc. I don't think I have been able to relate that Scenes are the only means of the Relay being turned On with an Off command.

The motion sensor detects the movement of heat, not the existence of heat. If you stand (or sit) motionless the motion sensor will stop "seeing" motion. Note that the red LED goes out very quickly. That does not mean it has timed out and issued an OFF. The red LED only flashes when motion is detected to save battery life. It is not rated for direct outside exposure. Mounted under an eve out of the weather should be okay.

Stop using Direct commands. Only the Direct ON command turns the Relay On. The Smarthome documentation does not discuss Direct commands because none of the Insteon devices can issue Direct commands on their own. Check the Momentary mode. It sounds like it is in Momentary A mode. In this mode the Relay only responds to one command, either On or Off, but not both. Control the Scene where the I/O Linc Relay is a Responder. What is the Responder On Level for the I/O Linc Relay.

Thanks Brian. Is that instead of the Insteon On message? This is really testing my memory. Weren't the very first LampLincs Responder only. I seem to remember sending the On/Off status was added later.

NEVER DELETE THE PLM!!! That would remove all references to the PLM from all devices. Multi-way switch configurations stay in sync because they are all cross-linked to each other. All one big ISY Scene with multiple Controllers. If you want them to stay in sync while being controlled from the ISY use the Scene name that created the multi-way configuration. Turning On/Off an individual device will certainly get things out of sync as individual device control with Insteon Direct commands are NOT propagated to any other device. This is Insteon design. Things got out of hand with the ISY Restore because Scene changes were made after the backup was taken. These changes were rolled out to the devices in the form of changes to the link records in the PLM and the individual devices. Unfortunately none of those changes were reflected in the backup file. When the backup file was restored now the information in the ISY was way out of sync with the information in the devices and the PLM. As I mentioned before, Restore ISY restores the information in the ISY. It does not restore information in the PLM or individual devices. The correct sequence is to take a backup after changes to the system such as Scene changes and/or Program changes have been made. That way the ISY information backup matches the latest PLM and device information. Restoring a backup that was taken before Scene changes are made insures the system is out of sync if the backup is restored. Taking a backup after the system was put back in sync is the absolute correct thing to do. Now should something happen to the information in the ISY itself a Restore ISY would bring the ISY back to the level of information that matches what is in the devices and the PLM. Just remember to take a fresh backup after any significant changes to Scene and Programs. Just so it is not forgotten, NEVER DELETE THE PLM. This is meant for contractors who have used an ISY/PLM to configure an Insteon installation and are not leaving the ISY and PLM as part of the install. All references to the PLM have to be removed so the PLM can be removed. This is never the case for a normal end user. I think this started when the PLM was accidentally factory reset during its relocation. This erased all the link information in the PLM link database. All Scene control from the ISY is gone and no device state changes are reflected in the ISY when the PLM link database is erased. The correct procedure is to do a Restore Modem (PLM) function at that point. All the Scene work after the PLM reset to try and get things functional again was just making things worse 'if' an ISY backup taken before that work was ever restored. Brian covered the local control of ApplianceLincs etc. These changes are not reflected back to the ISY because these devices are Responders ONLY. They have no capability to send local state changes to the PLM. Bottom line it sounds like things are back to normal and a good current ISY backup exists. Just stay away from the PLM Set button.

Using a Scene with all 4 lights as Responders can be used. A Program would trigger from the KPL button Off command and issue a Set Scene Off. The other approach would be to link all 4 lights as Responders with the KPL button as the Controller. When the KPL button is On and the button is pressed an Off command is issued to all linked Responders so all 4 lights would turn Off. No Program is needed for this. To keep the KPL button from turning On the 4 lights put the button into Non-Toggle Off mode so that only Off commands are issued. In this configuration pressing the KPL button will turn the 4 lights Off even if the KPL button LED is not On.

When using Insteon Direct commands only the On command turns the Relay On, regardless of the Momentary mode selected. In Momentary C mode the Relay should react to either a Scene On command or Scene Off command depending on whether the door sensor is On or Off. The I/O Linc Relay must be a Responder to the Scene. Which command operates in which Sensor state (On or Off) depends on the Responder On Level of the I/O Linc Relay.

Restoring a backup restores the information in the ISY. The Restore ISY does not restore the physical PLM or any of the devices. Try another Restore Modem (PLM) using the backup information. I'm still concerned that the Scene changes may have made changes to the device that are now not in sync with the backup. It may be necessary to Restore Device some of the devices as well.

Did you run Restore Modem (PLM)? If not do that next. If Restore Device and Restore Modem (PLM) does not resolve the situation the only thing I know to do is delete the device from the ISY and add it back. A Restore Modem (PLM) may have resolved it if done immediately after the PLM was reset. Now that devices have been removed and added back to Scenes I don't know what state the system is in.

Sounds like the PLM lost the link records. Next step is to run Restore Modem (PLM). It can take some time and there should be no Insteon traffic while it is running. The alternative is to delete the device and add it back to reestablish the link records.

A 0% On Level turns the device(s) Off when motion is sensed. Does not allow the device(s) to be turned On manually and stay On as each motion turns them Off again. If that is okay the suggestion to use 0% On is a great idea.

Links cannot be overriden nor deleted/added using ISY Program.

It is either a communication problem or the link records in the light switch or PLM have been lost or are corrupted. Manually changing the state of a device should be reflected to the ISY. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Show Device Links Table against the switch that is not showing manual state changes. When the display is complete click the Compare button. If no mismatches try doing a Restore Device. If manual changes are still not being reflected back then communication problems are likely.

OmegaQuest The GUI level can be found by going to Help | About. There are two lines, Firmware which is the ISY firmware level and UI which is the Admin Console code level. They should both indicate 3.1.16. If the UI line does not show 3.1.16 or the UI line does not appear at all clear the Java cache and use the URL for invoking the 3.1.16 Admin Console. Lee

oberkc Put a (next day) on Sunrise in the last code example

Add (next day) to Sunrise. The time range does not cover the time period desired. Without (next day) it is Sunrise of the same day which is before Sunset. If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And Control 'ICON Dimmer 1' is switched On