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4.3.10 and 4.3.18 have additional Options Button that has that option.

"Is the garage door control kit 74551 compatible with the 99i/ir?" I doubt it although not certain. The I/O Linc is now an I2CS device which I doubt is handled by image 3.3.10. I think Smarthome will take it back in the first few weeks so there is not much to lose except your time.

Yes, the Admin Console should be at the same level as the ISY. In this case that would mean using 3.3.10 Admin Console since running a 99i. The best action is to move to a 994i

The difference is what side of the UPS is being shared by ApplianceLinc. Plugged into the same outlet puts the ApplianceLinc on the input/primary side of the UPS. Plugged into the UPS puts the ApplianceLinc on output/secondary side. Will make a difference. Try plugging the UPS into a FilterLinc. I suspect the UPS will cause issues with the OutLetLinc but have not tried that arrangement. Putting my UPS on a FilterLinc has avoided UPS issues here.

I would suggest moving to a 994i. I have the old 99i with 3.3.10 from many years ago before moving to my 994i. There are several devices that 3.3.10 does not understand as they did not exist at the time. The error 'not being able to determine Insteon engine' indicates the first command sent to the LampLinc did not get a response. The fact that it worked eventually would indicate a comm issue.

Although using 4.3.10 Admin Console for my 994i I just added a 2457D2 to my old 3.3.10. I did have to hold Set button longer than popup suggested, about 10 seconds or so before the 2457D2 showed up in the Event Viewer trace I was running to see what commands were used. Try moving LampLinc next to PLM.

Run Tools | Diagnostics Event Viewer at LEVEL 3 which will show what commands are issued by what device and Program.. I don't understand the question about removing the Wait from the Then. The posted Programs (post #9) have no Wait

Since the Programs now have no Wait I assume the Motion Sensor completed its 10 minute Timeout that started from a previous motion detection. There should be no reason to query a ToggleLinc. If operated manually it notifies the ISY of the activity so the ISY should know the ToggleLinc is On.

No way to know what was being linked 2 days ago unless there is an Icon (1101) next to some device. The popup Linking window is showing the Weather access. I don't know of anything else of use to trace. Go ahead and reboot. If the ISY goes into linking mode perhaps the device ID can be seen in the Linking window.

Thanks for the event trace. No Insteon activity. The Weather station is connected to 3 times, followed by a 1 minute wait, followed by three more connections to Weather station, followed by a 1 minute wait, and so on. I don't use the Weather module so can't offer any information on the Weather activity. Is the Weather station normally accessed every minute?

I would say the wiring issue did more than is known at this point. Was the old KPL used to "Replace 'oldkpl' with 'new kpl' or the old KPL simply deleted? Try running Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at LEVEL 3 for 30 seconds or so, post the event trace so the Insteon activity can be evaluated.

The Bathroom Big Micro Dim is the device that is set to 0% On Level. The Motion Sensor itself is a Controller Only device. It has no On Level value. When the Red Motion Sensor-Sensor node is selected (clicked on) that is identifying the Insteon Scene Controller. The Insteon Scene Responders are at the bottom of the right side of Admin Console display. When an ISY Scene is defined it is using the PLM as the Insteon Controller. When the Red Motion Sensor-Sensor node was added to the ISY Scene definition it became the second Controller (PLM is initial Controller). The Motion Sensor-Sensor Responders are displayed at the bottom of the right side of Admin Console Display. It looks the same as when the ISY Scene was selected except the On Level is actually a unique value, very different from the Bathroom Big Micro Dim On Level value displayed when the ISY Scene name is selected. The On Levels are stored in separate link records in the Bathroom Big Micro Dim device. Thanks oberkc for posting as well. Not sure Insteon will turn out to be a good investment as much more complex topics have yet to be encountered.

Clicking on the ISY Scene name shows the Responder values when the PLM is the Controller, when the ISY Scene name is used in a Program. Unfortunately those responder values have nothing to do with the Motion Sensor. Click on the Red Motion Sensor-Sensor node shown below the ISY Scene name. Set the Bathroom Big Micro Dim to 0% On Level. This is the value used when the Motion Sensor-Sensor is the Controller.

jgorm Happy to hear things are resolved. Thanks for the paypal idea but this is done because it is both fun and satisfying to help solve a problem. Appreciate the idea though.

The technical answer is a Direct command does not have have a placeholder for a Group number. A SwitchLinc has a Group number of 1 for the single node that represents the SwitchLinc device. An 8 button KPL has 8 Groups (1- 8 ). Each button of the KPL has its own Group number. That is how Insteon knows which button is pressed and which button to operate on. Main A - Group 1 B - Group 2 C - Group 3 ......... H - Group 8 Insteon assumes a Direct command is operating Group 1. The Direct command has no field for Group. Since the KPL requires a Group number to know which button to reference, a Scene is required as the associated Scene link record(s) has a field for Group. A Scene can turn On a SwitchLinc which would use Group 1; KPL 1 button C which would use Group 3; KPL 2 button D which would use Group 4. The Group number cannot be in the command itself as a Scene can control over 250 devices, each of which has a different Group requirement. This may sound complex but it is pretty simple once the device requirement is understood.

rlanza1054 Jimbo has the answer. Setting the Scene name "light" to 0% On Level works because you are testing the Scene name with the Admin Console. Click on the Red Motion Sensor name for outside the bathroom and set the "light" to 0% On Level. Scene XXXX Motion Sesor Inside-Sensor - this Controller has Light set to 100% Motion Sensor Outside-Sensor - this Controller has Light set to 0% Light From the description it sounds like the Scene XXXX has been selected and Light On Level set. Need to click on Red Motion Sensor Outside-Sensor and set its Light On Level to 0% On Level. The Scenes may be defined this way Scene XXXX Motion Sensor Inside-Sensor - this Controller has Light set to 100% Light Scene YYYY Motion Sensor Outside-Sensor - this Controller has Light set to 0% Light Regardless of how the Scene(s) are defined, the Red Motion Sensor zzzzzz-Sensor is selected with the Light set to 100% or 0% depending on which Motion Sensor has been selected.

Turning KPL button D on as a Scene responder will turn on the button D LED but it has no affect on Programs with If Control testing commands from KPL button D. The Programs would need to use If Status to know button was turned On/Off by another device or Program.

Deleting the PLM removed the PLM information from the ISY and all the devices. Restore the ISY Backup taken before the PLM was deleted. That will restore the ISY but not the devices. Power cycle PLM and ISY, restoring PLM power first, then the ISY. Then File | Restore Devices to restore PLM information in all devices.

That is normal if the device is an RF only device. Each RF only device sleeps so an update will fail and be queued. Each RF only device (motion sensor, TriggerLinc, etc) must be put into manual link mode, then Write Updates to Device done. Each RF device must complete its update before putting next RF only device into manual linking mode. If not an RF only device there is a comm issue to the device with the Green 1101 Icon.

Did you Factory Reset KPL? If so then there is a problem with KPL or there is a comm problem with KPL.

If the Garage Back Lite stays On when KPL button D is turned Off the second Program is not working as desired. The 2nd line in If "is not switched On" is not needed. That Program will/should be triggered True when KPL button D is turned Off. Check the Program Summary display and see if the second Program is marked as True. Note that the Adjust Scene statements do not affect what happens if Garage Back Lite is turned On manually. If manual operation of switch should also be affected the Local On Level setting also needs changing. In Scene 'Garage Back Lite' Set 'Garage Back Lite' 31% (On Level)

jkraus The Adjust Scene statements change the On Level in the link records in 'Garage Back Lite' when KPL button D is used. This change of the link record affects the next time the link record is used. The change in link record On Level does NOT immediately change the actual On Level of the device. Since the KPL has already turned On 'Garage Back Lite' and then changed the link record value the new On Level will not have an immediate affect. It would require another On command from the KPL WITHOUT an Off command to see 31% On Level. The Back Garage-Sensor On command should set the Garage Back Lite to 31% after the KPL button is turned On. Seems like some understanding of how Insteon devices work would help. Just saw your last post. Same comment. Changing the link record On Level affects the next time the device is turned On. When the KPL button is On the next motion sensor turns the device to 31% On. When the KPL button is Off the next motion sensor turns the device on to 81%.

A KPL can be configured as a 6 button or 8 button device. The KPL User Guide describes how to switch from 6 button mode to 8 button mode. After the KPL has been set to 8 button mode, right click on primary node and select Restore Device to restore the missing link records. Configure For Six or Eight Button Operation • To change your six button KeypadLinc to eight button mode, attach the eight button plate to KeypadLinc Dimmer. Gently pull the Set Button at the bottom of the switch out as far as it will go (about 1/8”) and wait 10 seconds. While simultaneously holding the “On/OFF” button (upper leftmost button) and “H” button (lower right-most button), push the Set button back in flush to trim frame. After two seconds, release the buttons. KeypadLinc Dimmer is now operating in eight button mode. • If KeypadLinc Dimmer is to be changed from eight button to six button configuration, replace the eight button plate with the six button plate. Gently pull the Set Button at the bottom of the switch out as far as it will go (about 1/8”), and wait 10 seconds. While simultaneously holding the On and Off buttons, push the Set button back in flush to trim frame. After two seconds, release the buttons. KeypadLinc Dimmer is now operating in six button mode.

Post your Programs and Motion Sensor options. I did not have a Wait in my examples so the only thing that could turn the ToggleLinc was the MS. With two ways of turning the ToggleLinc Off all aspects of the MS and Program logic need to be examined.

If the MS was not activated by motion (did not enter closet) the MS would not send an Off. If the ToggleLinc can be operated without tripping MS the MS needs to be repositioned. Or more logic is needed to shut off ToggleLinc without MS activity. The ToggleLinc has no timer so it turning Off would indicate the MS Timeout option is not correct. There is an ISY User Guide that covers ISY programming.