LED level

[aLf]

I have some older SWL's. v38 and v27. In ISY there is an option to set LED brightness. Can I do so or is the hardware too old? Older ISY99i, running 3.3.

 

Also second residence with 994 running 4.5. I have a program to dim the LED's at 1030PM, I also see that in the actual SWL, there is and LED brightness that shows 25 and the SWL looks bright even though I have the off level (in ISY) much lower.

 

Thanks,

 

aLf

[LeeG]

I have 4.0.5 changing the LED Backlight level of a v.38 SwitchLinc Dimmer. The Admin Console presents a number 1 - 256 which adjusts the backlight level. The Program UI selects a % so the numeric values are different between the Admin Console and the Program but both change the Backlight level.

 

I don't think a v.27 supports a programmatic change in backlight level but do not have one to confirm with a direct test.

[oberkc]

I think some of my older keypads are v2.D. I have never had any luck getting LED brightness of the older keypads changed via the ISY (regardless of software level).

[aLf]

So? The 25 I see in the ISY window is (10% of 255) which is the max brightness of the SWL? (I have 10% set during the day & 1% at night).

 

My KPL's are set to 0 off (nothing) and 7 on at night (12 Day), what are those numbers?

 

The older models of SWL's & KPL's in the other house---do they not have any adjustment of the LED or buttons, even though there is an option within ISY? Can you adjust the brightness outside of ISY? I have one SWL I changed out last year (v27) that the LED when off many times is Off completely and sometimes on??? Is it a faulty SWL or is there a program setting the level I don't know about?

 

Thanks.

[LeeG]

"The 25 I see in the ISY window is (10% of 255) which is the max brightness of the SWL? (I have 10% set during the day & 1% at night)."

 

What ISY window are you referring to that contains 25? Can you post an screen clip? 10% is certainly not the max, 100% would be max.

 

"My KPL's are set to 0 off (nothing) and 7 on at night (12 Day), what are those numbers?"

 

If the KPL firmware is expecting an Off/On number that is the relative Off/On level of the LEDs. The device maintains a differential of 8 between the values regardless of the individual numbers so that Off and On are always visually distinguishable.

 

What ISY firmware? device firmware? device type (relay/dimmer)? The reason I ask is that by 4.0.5 I thought the references had been changed to either a number from 1-255 or a %.

 

"The older models of SWL's & KPL's in the other house---do they not have any adjustment of the LED or buttons, even though there is an option within ISY?

 

Depends on the device firmware in each device? Not all old devices can be set programmatically.

 

"Can you adjust the brightness outside of ISY?"

 

Probably. Refer to the User Guide that applies to that specific device type at its firmware level. I don't have specific information as to what firmware level the various combinations of Switchlinc Dimmer/ Switchlinc Relay/KPL Dimmer/KPL Relay firmware was updated with that capability. SmartLabs/Smarthome does not provide a list of device type/firmware levels where each feature was added.

 

"I have one SWL I changed out last year (v27) that the LED when off many times is Off completely and sometimes on??? Is it a faulty SWL or is there a program setting the level I don't know about?"

 

I have no way of knowing without some trace information when the change happens. The Find facility may help in locating Programs which affect the device.

[aLf]

Lee:

 

The 25 I see in the ISY window is (10% of 255) which is the max brightness of the SWL? (I have 10% set during the day & 1% at night)."

 

What ISY window are you referring to that contains 25? Can you post an screen clip? 10% is certainly not the max, 100% would be max.

 

My question is wheter ISY takes control of the "LED BRIGHTNESS" setting in the device, i.e. 10% would set it to 25?

 

"My KPL's are set to 0 off (nothing) and 7 on at night (12 Day), what are those numbers?"

 

If the KPL firmware is expecting an Off/On number that is the relative Off/On level of the LEDs. The device maintains a differential of 8 between the values regardless of the individual numbers so that Off and On are always visually distinguishable.

 

What is the 7 and 12 in my case reference to?

 

What ISY firmware? device firmware? device type (relay/dimmer)? The reason I ask is that by 4.0.5 I thought the references had been changed to either a number from 1-255 or a %.

 

"The older models of SWL's & KPL's in the other house---do they not have any adjustment of the LED or buttons, even though there is an option within ISY?

 

Depends on the device firmware in each device? Not all old devices can be set programmatically.

 

There is a "LED BRIGHTNESS" setting in the GUI window even on the old SWL's, question is whether that is a usable feature?

 

"Can you adjust the brightness outside of ISY?"

 

Probably. Refer to the User Guide that applies to that specific device type at its firmware level. I don't have specific information as to what firmware level the various combinations of Switchlinc Dimmer/ Switchlinc Relay/KPL Dimmer/KPL Relay firmware was updated with that capability. SmartLabs/Smarthome does not provide a list of device type/firmware levels where each feature was added.

 

Too old to find any leaflets on them, they are original equipment when Insteon came out.

 

"I have one SWL I changed out last year (v27) that the LED when off many times is Off completely and sometimes on??? Is it a faulty SWL or is there a program setting the level I don't know about?"

 

I have no way of knowing without some trace information when the change happens. The Find facility may help in locating Programs which affect the device.

 

Where is the trace utility?

[LeeG]

"My question is wheter ISY takes control of the "LED BRIGHTNESS" setting in the device,"

 

Depends on whether the device hardware/firmware supports changing that programmatically. I do not have a list of feature versus device firmware when something is released. It would be nice if SmartLabs/Smarthome had a central location with that information but it does not exist (or its one of the world’s best kept secrets). The ISY does not have a history of device versus firmware versus feature. The option is presented and it works where the device supports it.

 

"i.e. 10% would set it to 25?"

 

Yes, 25 is 10% of 255 depending on how the result is rounded. Could be 26.

 

 

“What is the 7 and 12 in my case reference to?â€

 

If the device is looking for Off/On numbers the 7 & 12 are the LED Backlight On level. The Off level is always adjusted by the device so there is a consistent visual difference between Off and On LED brightness.

 

“There is a "LED BRIGHTNESS" setting in the GUI window even on the old SWL's, question is whether that is a usable feature?â€

 

If the device hardware/firmware support it. The ISY does not have a history of device versus firmware versus feature.

 

“Too old to find any leaflets on them, they are original equipment when Insteon came out.â€

 

I have an old KPL user guide which says KPL LED backlight level as two settings. Use A/D buttons on 6 button, C/F on 8 button to toggle between the two levels.

 

An old SwitchLinc user guide does not describe changing LED backlight level.

 

“Where is the trace utility?â€

 

Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at LEVEL 3.

 

Sorry for the slow response. Hit Ctrl something and lost the forum session. Had to retype