svetter Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 I think I created a monster. Since the EZserve is end of support, I decided the buy a 8-button keypadlinc and set up several of the buttons with the scenes the EZserve handled. I did this so I would have quick local control if things didn't work (The EZserv would lock up from time to time) and make it easy to migrate to a new controller (the ISY). I set up the ISY and decided to add the Keypadlinc thinking that it would import just the links that were defined on it. I clicked the third option to preserve the links when adding the device. Boy was I in for a surprise. The ISY walked the entire mesh and I ended up with links to what seems like every device in my house. The Homelinc software was used to ensure I didn't have orphan links from old devices before starting. I then set up programs to toggle each of the buttons, therefore controlling the scenes. Questions/problems are are: 1) The imported buttons are controllers and responders for the scene. But as shown in the GIF, both on and off are "active". How can I fix this so I can remotely activate a scene as I would with a button press. I understand I can "test" the scenes, but would like to be able to activate the buttons remotely. 2) Other buttons (scene controllers) of Keypadlincs show only as an ON state and I get an error loading nodes message when I use the HTML-based device list. 3) Three or Four devices would not import because ISY couldn't determine the engine, or device is unsupported. Is there a level of ICON or Switchlinc not supported? 10,000 thanks. Don't mind doing more reading if you point me to where this is covered.
LeeG Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 1) The imported buttons are controllers and responders for the scene. But as shown in the GIF, both on and off are "active". How can I fix this so I can remotely activate a scene as I would with a button press. I understand I can "test" the scenes, but would like to be able to activate the buttons remotely. The button are not indicating On/Off status as Insteon has no concept of Scene Status. Both buttons are operational turning the Scene On or Off 2) Other buttons (scene controllers) of Keypadlincs show only as an ON state and I get an error loading nodes message when I use the HTML-based device list. Secondary KeypadLinc buttons cannot be turned On/Off with Insteon Direct commands so only the device status is displayed 3) Three or Four devices would not import because ISY couldn't determine the engine, or device is unsupported. Is there a level of ICON or Switchlinc not supported? That depends on the level if ISY firmware being used. Most likely the ISY/PLM was not able to communicate with those devices that indicate engine could not be determined. The unsupported device could be the level of ISY firmware being used or a new device type that has not yet been added to the ISY.
svetter Posted August 29, 2013 Author Posted August 29, 2013 Thanks Lee, I think I'm getting this now. So on the HTML interface, I can check the status of a scene by looking at the status of the KeypadLinc's associated responder. Q1) Is there a way to check the status of a scene without checking the status of a responder, or looking at each controlled device in that scene (group) with the HTML interface? I know I can do this from the admin console. Q2) As shown in the new GIF, the folder has three buttons, they don't seem operative, but other collapsed views (the ISY for example) they are operative. Is this by design? Or have I been staring at this too long? Your comment that secondary KeypadLinc buttons cannot be turned On/Off with direct Insteon commands has me wondering what I see on the HomeLinc software. Perhaps they are just controlling the scene under the covers, and the button is the responder. I updated to Firmware 4.0.5 on the ISY before reading the network. I'll look at things on HomeLinc and compare. I have over 30 devices and took care to write everything I saw on the switch in the notes so I know which of the switches are oldest. I have some of the first ICON and SwitchLincs made, but slowly rotating them out (they had almost no information on them).
LeeG Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 There is no Scene Status to check. Insteon has no concept of Scene Status and the ISY has chosen not to implement something on its. Every time a discussion gets started about what Scene Status should mean there is not a clear consensus what characteristics should apply to Scene Status. Do not know what HomeLinc is doing to control a Secondary KeypadLinc button but it cannot be turned On/Off with a Direct command. The Insteon Direct On/Off messages have no means of indicating which Secondary button the command applies to. A Scene with the KeypadLinc Secondary button as a Responder does turn the button On/Off but it is impossible with a Direct command. Automated Scenes is a Folder. When I click on a Folder that contains Scenes those buttons are grayed (inactive). What does Help | About display for Firmware line and UI line? I had many of the first ICONs in the main house and were not a problem for the ISY. What is displayed on the right side top two lines when the node is clicked.
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