2 basic questions - scenes vs. links & factory reset

[bwbeisne]

Good morning. I am making good progress but have a few simple questions:

 

1. Does a factory reset of a device remove all links in that device?

 

2. What is the difference between a scene and a link? Are these synonymous?

[Brian H]

1. Yes

[bwbeisne]

Any thoughts on the second question?

[LeeG]

A Scene is made up of link records. The link records for the Scene would be in all the devices that are part of the Scene.

[bwbeisne]

Ok. I historically have not used scenes. I have only directly linked buttons & devices. As far as automation I simply use programs in the ISY to individually set each device to a certain level when needed. I have never really understood the idea of scenes and would like to. I feel like I'm missing out on higher level functionality. Am I?

 

My install is simple with only 22 devices. I think it's hard to create a 'scene' with only one controlled light in a room. What am I missing? or not understanding..

[LeeG]

Scenes (links) have been used all along. When a device is added to the ISY a Scene (link) is created between the device and the PLM. This is necessary for the PLM to be aware of a manual device button/paddle press.

 

Scenes are useful when multiple devices are being controlled by the same event. Also when one device is controlling another. Press a KeypadLinc button that turns On/Off one or more devices. It is better to do this with a Scene where the KeypadLinc button is the Controller and the other device(s) is a responder. This happens faster than triggering a Program to control a device directly.

[bwbeisne]

Ok. So a scene is a link or group of links then? One controller or trigger and one or many responders.

[Xathros]

Can be multiple controllers in a scene. A controller is also a responder.

 

 

-Xathros

 

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[EricK]

This would be an example for which a scene might be helpful to you. You can create an all off or away scene. Add all of your devices to it. When you leave the house, trigger the scene (via keypad button or other controller) and all of the lights turn off. This would work better than a program with a bunch of then actions to turn off the lights if the controller is activated.

[treighmy]

In EricK's example of "all of the lights turn off" scene, is there a way I could push a button but then wait 10 minutes before I trigger the scene to give me time to get to the bedroom before everything turns off?

[EricK]

Yes, use a program. There are some possible variations on the if statement for the control. May need to add fast off.

If
       Control 'Basement / Basement Devices / KPL Basement Steps (DB) / KPL - A - Basement Lights' is switched Off

Then
       Wait  10 minutes 
       Set Scene 'Great Room / GR All Off' Off

Else
  - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

[treighmy]

Easy enough. Thanks Eric!

[oberkc]

Be aware, also, that what constitutes a "scene" is defined a bit different with the ISY that with the basis insteon devices. If you see "scene" used in the manuals of individual devices, that generally refers to a relationship between two devices. With the ISY, a scene can have practically unlimited number of devices.

 

I have only directly linked buttons & devices.

 

Are you suggesting that you have manually linked insteon devices without using the ISY...by putting one device into linking mode, and adding the responder manually. I generally find this a bad idea when one has an ISY in their system.

[EricK]

In EricK's example of "all of the lights turn off" scene, is there a way I could push a button but then wait 10 minutes before I trigger the scene to give me time to get to the bedroom before everything turns off?

Glad things worked for you.

 

Oberkc, this post was not made by the thread starter, but by a different poster. Eric

[oberkc]

Oberkc, this post was not made by the thread starter, but by a different poster. Eric

 

Yes. I missed that. Thanks.