Moshe Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I am trying to configure a button on a Keypad for vacation on/off for programs to run in a folder. When I select status for the button it shows off, 0-100%, and responding. There is no "on" option. I tried 100% for "on" but the programs would not run. I am using Version: 4.2.5. Any ideas. Moshe Link to comment
oberkc Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 You can try "is not off" status? Is the keypad a dimmer? (I am unsure and have never checked if secondary buttons on a dimmer keypad have status other than zero or 100%, but I have always assumed so.) Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks Oberkc. Yes it is a dimmer. I also tried status "is not off", but it did not seem to work either. Here is how I tested: A ran the "if and then" statement for this program. If From Sunset + 1 hour and 15 minutes To 11:20:00PM (same day) Then Set Scene 'KPL Hall / Entry Lights' On Else Set Scene 'KPL Hall / Entry Lights' Off Lights never turned on. I also just tried this but received the same results. If From 10:59:00PM To 11:20:00PM (same day) Then Set Scene 'KPL Hall / Entry Lights' On Else Set Scene 'KPL Hall / Entry Lights' Off Moshe Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The Program will trigger as True and run the Then clause only at the exact From time. The Program will trigger as False and run the Else clause only at the exact To Time. Go to the Programs | Summary page and check the Status and Last Run Time columns for when the Program was last triggered and what the Status (True/False) was. If under a Folder that is checking a KPL button Status also check the Folder Status for True/False. Link to comment
larryllix Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 In addition attempt to switch the scene on and off manually to make sure it functions as you desire. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Oberkc/LeeG/Larryllix - Thanks for your feed back. Here are the results: Folder Conditions for 'Vacation'Add conditions to limit when programs in this folder are allowed to run. If Status 'Entry Lights / 2A.11.10.G' is 100% Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. 1. Keypad button was turned on 2. before the "from time" occurred 3. before the "to time" occurred It worked jus fine. The folder under summary went to true. I tested again: 1. Keypad was button was off 2. before the "from time" occurred 3. before the "to time" occurred Lights turned on/off even though Keypad button was off. Under summary Folder still showed true even though the keypad light was off. Any ideas. Moshe Link to comment
oberkc Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Under summary Folder still showed true even though the keypad light was off. OK. There are a couple of things to look for to isolate the cause. Make sure that the ISY accurately reflects keypad status. When the entry lights are off, does the ISY show it OFF in the device list? If not, perhaps you have a communication problem. If the ISY shows entry lights status as off, and the folder condition still true, I have no clue what would cause that. Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 That indicates the KeypadLinc does not have good comm with the ISY. The Folder should change from True to False as the KPL button is turned from On (100%) to Off. The False Folder Status would prevent the Program(s) under the Folder from being triggered. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at LEVEL 3. Tap button G On and Off and see if the On/Off messages are being received. The Off message should turn the Folder False. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 LeeG - After running diagnostics as explained above, the event viewer was blank, when I tried with a different Keypad in another location plenty of data was displayed. Oberkc - When I turn on/off the entry lights manually the admin console does not display the correct status until I query manually. Is there a way I can query the status of the keypad button so program will run correctly. Moshe Link to comment
oberkc Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 While, theoretically, you could query a device, I suspect you will not get good results without correcting your communications issues. With that in mind, do you have two dual band devices confirmed (by tesing using the methods in the manual)? Access points? Is your PLM on a power strip or ups? Is the plm on a circuit with lots of other computer equipment? Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 The PLM is on a circuit with alot of other computer equipment. I do have to access points confirmed. I have used this setup for years, but never tried adding vacation button on that keypad. Moshe Link to comment
oberkc Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I would , then, temporarily run an extension cord from another circuit in another room, into which I would plug the PLM. Once done, I would see if the comm problems are solved. If so, I would put all that other computer equipment on a filter. It is also worth rechecking the access points, in my mind. Is this keypad the only device that appears to be having trouble communicating with the ISY? Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Oberkc - I have tried plugging the PLM into different circuits, but the results do not change. I see no activity in the event viewer (# 3) at all using this Keypad. I have tried other buttons, on the same Keypad and still do not receive any results in the event viewer (Number 3). So it seems the keypad is the only device giving me communication issues. I have tried other switch links in the same electrical box and all seem to send result to event viewer. What I don't understand is why when I use the keypad I do not see any results in the event viewer, but when I use the device that the keypad controls it shows activity in the event viewer. Moshe Link to comment
oberkc Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 What I don't understand is why when I use the keypad I do not see any results in the event viewer, but when I use the device that the keypad controls it shows activity in the event viewer. What else is on the circuit containing the keypad? I have a troublesome keypad also, but different kinds of troubles than yours. Mine seems to have trouble with writing changes from the ISY. Interestingly, it otherwise seems to work. I began to wonder of the kinds of failure modes that these things can have. Perhaps the troubles you are seeing is indicative of a faulty device? The only way that I can think to test would be to take it out and temporarily wire it to an extension cord, then plug it into the same outlet as the PLM. You asked earlier about a query. Do you still have the standard 3:00am query program? I still consider this a kluge, but it may get you by. I just depends on how important is a quick response to your button press. Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Suggest doing a File | Restore Modem (PLM). It sounds like the PLM has lost the link records for that KPL. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Oberkc - On the circuit I have 3 switchlinks, one is not behaving, it will not turn load off after pressing it. I think it needs to be replaced. I replaced the keypad recently as well. I still have the query program running at 3AM. LeeG - The restore will restore from which file, or does it just reset the PLM. Moshe Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 A Restore Modem (PLM) rebuilds the PLM link database from the information the ISY is maintaining on the link records that should be in the PLM. The process will eliminate duplicate and no longer used link records. I do not know which internal ISY file contains that information and it does not matter. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 LeeG - I finally had the chance to restore PLM, and I receive "system in safe mode". What luck. When I receive the new PLM can I still do the restore, or do I need to do something else. Moshe Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 It will be necessary to do a Restore Modem (PLM) to build the new PLM link database. The Wiki has the instructions for replacing a PLM. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 After I replace the PLM. I know I need to do a "Restore PLM." Do I also need to do a "Restore All Devices". Moshe Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 No. The ISY understands a new PLM is in use after the new PLM and ISY have been power cycled. The Restore Modem (PLM) will not only rebuild the new PLM, it also rebuilds the individual devices. Note that if there are battery powered devices they will have to be restored one at a time after the Restore Modem (PLM) command completes. Link to comment
Moshe Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 That indicates the KeypadLinc does not have good comm with the ISY. The Folder should change from True to False as the KPL button is turned from On (100%) to Off. The False Folder Status would prevent the Program(s) under the Folder from being triggered. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at LEVEL 3. Tap button G On and Off and see if the On/Off messages are being received. The Off message should turn the Folder False. LeeG / Oberkc - After replacing the PLM, everything is working perfectly. The event viewer now displays data when the G button is pressed on the Keypad, and True / False now shows correctly in summary. Thanks Moshe Link to comment
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