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My spare plm just died - so now I have two dead PLM's ...

 

Going to attempt the capacitor fix.

 

Do you guys have any tips on how to remove the caps ?

 

I tried one cap and got it off after a great deal of effort with the soldering iron but now the holes are still filled with solder.

 

There has to be an easy way to do this ?

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If you don't have a solder sucker to clean out the holes.

Many times heating the pad and then using a sewing needle to clear the hole works.

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Do you guys have any tips on how to remove the caps ?

 

I tried one cap and got it off after a great deal of effort with the soldering iron but now the holes are still filled with solder.

 

There has to be an easy way to do this ?

It was difficult for me too and that was with a desoldering pump and even a dedicated desoldering iron I bought. The only thing I didn't have handy was desoldering braid. That would finish up your issue I think and it's pretty cheap. I have some now and will know next repair how well it works. Edited by jumon
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Thanks for the help guys. I got a solder pump was able to fix one of my two dead plm's. The one I couldn't fix is the first one I tried to fix without the pump and I think I screwed up the pcb with all the fiddling I did...

The one I managed to fix is a usb interface and the other is serial. 

 

Do you guys think swapping the interface board from the serial plm to the usb plm would work ? I heard the main board is same in both versions.

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I don't think the main boards firmware is to different between the USB and Serial Versions.

It will report it has the USB Subcategory ID and not the Serial Port ID.

The ISY994i may balk at the different ID.

 You may want to try it and see if it works.

 

Smarthome is still showing 04/22/2016 as the expected in stock date. As it is on back order right now.

One of the Amazon vendors is showing 04/05/2016 but there is no guarantee it will be the latest firmware and hardware.

Edited by Brian H
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I tried swapping the daughterboard, and the PLM didn't start up correctly - but perhaps there was another problem.

 

Regarding the Subcategory ID -- it turns out the the ISY (5.0.2) doesn't care.  While waiting for my 2413S to ship, I pressed my USB PLM into service using a Raspberry Pi as a serial-to-USB bridge.  It's working fine (although it's not robust enough to be a permanent solution by any means!).

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I suspect you are correct.

The FCC Database photos of the 2413U only show a FTDI USB Interface chip on it along with the Link Database EEPROM and small 5 volt regulator.

So the firmware may have to do a different data format  for the USB controller to work correctly.

  • 2 weeks later...
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- REPAIR KIT-

 

I recently re-capped my 4 year old 2413S Dual-band Powerlinc.  On the suggestion of another user I put together a kit that contains the necessary componentsinstructions, and pictures.  

 

If you would like to order a kit and do the repair yourself just email me at plm.repair at gmail dot com

 

The kit is $18.45

 

Free shipping to the lower 48.

Contact me for shipping outside the U.S.

PLM Repair.pdf

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My 2413S v 1.B just died after 2yrs, 8 months.  Seems like a common occurrence here.  

 

I was looking at the digikey parts list, on page 6, as they are located a couple of hours away from me and have a question of the electrical experts here. Would their part - 565-1598-NDEKY-500ELL100ME11D- be equivalent to the EKY-500ETD100ME11D specified in the 1st post?  The only difference I can see is height, which I don't think would matter much.  This is replacing the 399-6599-ND which is only rated for 2000 hrs at 85C and may be an issue for lifespan.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Both of the Digikey part numbers are for a General Purpose type capacitor.

They may not last as long as ones designed for low impedance or low ESR. That are a better choice  in the C13 and C7 locations. As it is a switching type power supply.

 

Though the Fujicon RK 10uF/35 volt {hardware 1.?} or the 100uF/35 volt {hardware 2.?} used in the C7 and C13 locations by Smartlabs are general Purpose.

Edited by Brian H
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I was confused by the way Digikey categorizes their capacitors as General Purpose even ones with a low ESR and made for switching supplies.  :oops:

 

The United-Chemi-Con you linked to is a low ESR made for switching power supplies.

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/united-chemi-con/EKY-500ELL100ME11D/565-1598-ND/756114

So it should be fine and is rated for 5000 Hours.

 

The Nichicon UPM series would also work. Though it is rated for 2000 Hours.

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/nichicon/UPM1H100MDD/UPM1H100MDD-ND/2428082

 

Both are 105C rated and for each 10C less than 105C the time exponentially gets greater.

Edited by Brian H
  • 2 weeks later...
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It seems that two of the original capacitors are no longer available so I made some substitutions.

 

USV1C100MFD  instead of UTS1C100MDD

 

and 

 

UPW2G100MHD1TO  instead of  ESX106M400AH4AA 

 

Are these good substitutions?

 

Oh yeah, another PLM dead.  This time 2 years and 2 months.

Edited by apostolakisl
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Your substitutions should work fine.

Both are being used in circuits where a good General Purpose capacitor is fine.

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Your substitutions should work fine.

Both are being used in circuits where a good General Purpose capacitor is fine.

 

Great.  Placed the order.  I went for 3 sets this time instead of 1.

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It seems that two of the original capacitors are no longer available so I made some substitutions.

 

USV1C100MFD  instead of UTS1C100MDD

 

and 

 

UPW2G100MHD1TO  instead of  ESX106M400AH4AA 

 

Are these good substitutions?

 

Oh yeah, another PLM dead.  This time 2 years and 2 months.

 

This works at least initially.  I'll let this burn in a few days on my old isy99i just to make sure.

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Success

 

My PLM stopped responding today.  Ordered the caps today and I'll report back with my results.  Thanks for all the fantastic info in this thread.

 

Canadian fixed!   Digikey had the caps to me in a day.     Thanks folks.   

 

I really strugged with keeping the board steady while i fumbled with the soldering iron and braid.  I use an extremely cheap clamp (it has a weight, a magifying glass and two articulating clamps) so it was really frustrating to get a good grip.  Took me way longer than it should have.

 

What do you guys use for keeping the PCB steady, but also movable, while you work?

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Success

 

 

Canadian fixed!   Digikey had the caps to me in a day.     Thanks folks.   

 

I really strugged with keeping the board steady while i fumbled with the soldering iron and braid.  I use an extremely cheap clamp (it has a weight, a magifying glass and two articulating clamps) so it was really frustrating to get a good grip.  Took me way longer than it should have.

 

What do you guys use for keeping the PCB steady, but also movable, while you work?

I carefully put it in my bench vise with the edges of the pcb on each side touching the vise.  In other words, the vise was open about 2 inches.

 

My repair has survived the first 12 hours of burn in.   

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Side repair question - I have an 8-button keypadlinc that has one button that doesn't seem to work/generate events.   Not sure if its a mechanical issue with the button itself (seems to "click" just fine) or an electronics issue.     Any experience would be appreciated!

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If the PLM was having capacitor issues some of the PLM link records could have been alerted.  Suggest running Restore Modem (PLM) to rebuild PLM link database.  Unless the PLM was changed, the Restore Modem (PLM) will only rebuild the PLM link database.   If that does not resolve KPL symptom then do a Restore Device on KPL.

 

Does the KPL button LED turn On/Off with button press?

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If the PLM was having capacitor issues some of the PLM link records could have been alerted.  Suggest running Restore Modem (PLM) to rebuild PLM link database.  Unless the PLM was changed, the Restore Modem (PLM) will only rebuild the PLM link database.   If that does not resolve KPL symptom then do a Restore Device on KPL.

 

Does the KPL button LED turn On/Off with button press?

 

Thanks LeeG -  my KPL button problem started way before the PLM power issue.  The button LED on the KPL does come on when pushed, but the light fixture it is controlling does not change.

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