Fanlinc Light - Changing ON LEVEL through programs

[bobofett13]

I'd like to try this post again.  I posted this question a few weeks ago (with much confusion), and would like to revisit this problem...

 

Here is the setup that I'm trying to control.  In the master bedroom, I have a KPL with no connected load with scenes controlling the fanlinc controller.  Scene A turns the fanlinc lights on/off.  Scenes C through F are for the fan.  Scene B is a "Master Light Off" scene.

 

I am trying setup the lighting scene in the master bedroom to run at 100% during the day with a .5 second ramp rate, and at night changing the output to 25% with a 9 second ramp rate.  See the program below (Note - I have the time set to 7:00PM to 9:30PM (SAME DAY) for testing.  I'm adjusting the early time to make my IF true/false and then saving.  Once saved, I run(IF) from the PROGRAM/SUMMARY tab):

 

If

        From     7:00:00PM

        To       9:30:00PM (same day)f

Then

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

 

Else

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)

 

 

I'm adjusting the times to make the "If" statement true or false.  I'm checking the SUMMARY tab and then run(IF) and check the status.  As expected, I'm seeing true/false as I would expect (see 1.jpg attached).I check the scene and I'm seeing the output and ramp rate set as expected in both conditions.  See 2.jpg and 3.jpg attached.  The problem that I'm having is the actual light output does not change for either condition.  The light is always at the 100% output and .5 second ramp rate. 

 

Is there something else that I need to set for the fanlinc to resond properly?  

[stusviews]

If

        From     7:00:00PM

        To       9:30:00PM (same day)

And Control 'device that controls light' is switched On

 

or

 

And Status ...

[bobofett13]

It didn't like that either.  I modified the code as shown below, and then pressed the KPL button for the light.  I can see the time change for the "Last Run Time", but the lights are still running at 100%.  

If
        From     7:30:00PM
        To       9:30:00PM (same day)
    And Control 'Master_Bedroom_KPL_Light' is switched On
 
Then
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 25% (On Level)
 
Else
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 100% (On Level)
 

[PurdueGuy]

It looks like you are setting the on level and ramp rate for the main scene, when ISY is the controller.

 

The "In scene" drop down is used to select the controller.  Choose the scene name for when ISY is controller, choose a specific device when when that device is controller.  This allows flexibility.

 

For your situation, first choose the actual controller (in your case "Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc") and then set "Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light" as appropriate. 

 

I think it will be something like:

If
        From     7:30:00PM
        To       9:30:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)
 
Else
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)

If you also want ISY to have the same way of handling it should you invoke it from a program, do both:

If
        From     7:30:00PM
        To       9:30:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)
 
Else
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)

[stusviews]

If
         From 7:30:00PM
         To 9:30:00PM (same day)
  And Control 'Master_Bedroom_KPL_Light' is switched On

Then
          In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
          In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' 25% (On Level)

          Set Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fanlinc_Light' On

[PurdueGuy]

You do not need the "Control....switched on" here.

 

The KPL is already a controller.  At 7:30 PM & 9:30 PM, it simply modifies the on level and ramp level.

If you add the "Is switch on" the light will turn on immediately to 100% (or whatever it is set to), ISY will reset the on and levels, and then it will go to the new levels.   That is not what is desired.

[bobofett13]

I tried setting the both the controller (KPL) and responder (fanlinc) ON LEVEL and RAMP RATE in the program, but that didn't work either.  I'm wondering if the KPL is over-riding the setting in the ISY.  My understanding about the Insteon devices is the scene data is stored locally at each device, and then all devices in the scene respond to the scene at the same time.  Could this be a case where the ON LEVEL and RAMP RATE are set in the ISY, and not written down to the Insteon devices?  Like I mentioned earlier, these parameters seem to be set properly in the ISY (see the screen captures 2 & 3 from initial post).   Do you need to command the ISY program to write the new ON LEVEL and RAMP RATE for this to take affect?

[PurdueGuy]

Please post your program (copy/paste it, screenshot, something.....don't type it out).   Per your initial screenshot, they were not being set correctly.   ISY and Insteon and fully capable of doing what you want.   I do it all the time.

[LeeG]

PurdueGuy will find the problem.

 

Note that the screen captures are not looking at the right information. The ISY Scene name was select which affects when the Scene name is used in a Program. Click on the Red KPL button to see the responder On Level and Ramp Rate that are used when the KPL button is pressed. These are NOT the values displayed when the Scene name is selected.

[bobofett13]

The only point that I wanted to make with the screen shots, was that the program is making changes.  But these changes are either programmed wrong or there is a basic step that I'm missing.  I'm just getting started with the ISY and trying to learn the tricks for programming it.  

 

It looks like this forum has some great resources that are very willing to help.  A great place to learn!!

[PurdueGuy]

According to the programs you showed earlier,  you had the main scene selected.   In doing so, that is when ISY is controller.

 

Have you tried my suggested program from post #4?

 

Since your scene name and device name are so similar, be very sure you have the right things selected in the drop down boxes.

[bobofett13]

I noticed my naming convention was not the best and that could be part of my confusion.  

 

Now that I read that post again, it looks like I didn't choose the right menu items.  I have highlighted the "THEN" statement and want to be clear with your intent.  BLUE is the device (in this case fanlinc) and RED would be the scene name.  Is my interpretation correct?   So the last to lines of the statement have the scene setting the scene's parameters?

 

If

        From     7:30:00PM

        To       9:30:00PM (same day)

 

Then

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

 

Else

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 100% (On Level)

[bobofett13]

My naming convention is confusing me again...  So the text in BLUE would be the KPL button, the text  in RED after the set would be the SCENE, and the text in GREEN would be the device (Fanlinc)?

 

Then

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

[PurdueGuy]

That is not the correct interpretation.

 

Red would be the controller, and blue is the device you want to modify with respect to that controller.

For the first choice (the red one) you have two choices for this scene:

 - Chose the SCENE NAME if you want to modify it when ISY is controller

 - Chose the CONTROLLER NAME if you want to modify it for that controller

 

According to your pictures above, you have two devices:

Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light - this is the light node of the FanLinc

Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc - this is a KPL button, associated to the Fanlinc light

 

Are those correct?

[PurdueGuy]

 

My naming convention is confusing me again...  So the text in BLUE would be the KPL button, the text  in RED after the set would be the SCENE, and the text in GREEN would be the device (Fanlinc)?

 

Then

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Light_Fanlinc' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom_Fan_Light' 25% (On Level)

 

Our post crossed.  In this new scheme:

BLUE = device as controller

Green = ISY as controller

Red = device to modify

 

It might help to rename your devices and scenes, to avoid name collisions.  The ISY doesn't care, but it makes it hard to explain.

[bobofett13]

I'll give this a test tonight when I get home.  Thanks for your input!!

 

It looks like a good project for the weekend would be renaming everything.  

[Xathros]

One thing that may help here is to rename your scenes and devices where similar to include .scn or .dev in the names.  This way you can tell them apart more readily.

 

-Xathros

[bobofett13]

I took some time and went through and renamed all scenes and devices.  Folders are setup for each room in the house, and the appropriate device/scenes were moved.

 

So it looks like my program is set the same as PerdueGuy's post (#4) and the response is 100% all the time.  There is not change in the output level or ramp rate.  Is my code following your recommendations?

If
        From     7:30:00PM
        To      10:30:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / SCN.Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / SCN.Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 25% (On Level)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / KPL.Light_A' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 8.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / KPL.Light_A' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 25% (On Level)
 
Else
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / SCN.Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / SCN.Fan_Light' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 100% (On Level)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / KPL.Light_A' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)
        In Scene 'Master_Bedroom / KPL.Light_A' Set 'Master_Bedroom / FL.Light' 100% (On Level)
 

[LeeG]

At 7:30 PM the On Level and Ramp Rate are changed to 25% and 8.5 seconds.   Pressing the KPL button On after 7:30 PM should result in 25% On Level.  At 10:30 PM the On Level is changed to 100%.  Pressing the KPL button On after 10:30 PM should produce 100% On Level.

 

Would be good to post the Scene definition so that the names in the Program can be checked against the KPL Responders. 

[bobofett13]

I just did a test and copied the program/scenes to use the "G" button on the KPL.  Everything worked as PurdueGuy said.  It seems that the output level cannot be adjusted for the KPL "A" button.

[bobofett13]

Any ideas why the same programming will work for the "SCENE G" button and not the "SCENE A/LOAD" button?  This button controls the load, but are there any other differences in the control?

[LeeG]

The KPL A button should not be controlling power going to the FanLinc.   The Red KPL load wire should be capped.  That should have the A button and G button work the same. 

[bobofett13]

The red wire is capped, and the KPL is just being used as a scene controller.  I was trying to understand if there was any differences in the functions of the buttons.

[PurdueGuy]

There are no differences in how other devices react to the button presses of A vs G.

You might try resetting/restoring the target device (FanLinc).  I suppose it is possibly it has two links for the device.  You never linked manually (by hand) did you?

[bobofett13]

Thank you all for your input!  I'll try a factory reset and re-link the controllers.