hart2hart Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 I want to add 2441ZTH direct to ISY without one of SH's wired versions -- using as remote temperature sensor only. Is this possible?. If so, any special steps because it is a wireless device or no wired version exists? I don't see it in device list or the special area for wireless device adds.
stusviews Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 You can use the wireless thermostat as a stand alone. As with all wireless devices, put it into linking mode to add it.
hart2hart Posted December 13, 2014 Author Posted December 13, 2014 Thanks but it is not working. I've tried start linking and then pressing set button. I tried adding by Insteon ID. Short section of log Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [22 D 10 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISYSat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 30.6C.0B 41 13 01 LTOFFRR(01)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Cleanup ] 31.E3.DF-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 13.01.01 CB 06 00 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Group ] 31.E3.DF-->13.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-INFO ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 13.01.01 CB 06 00 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Group ] 31.E3.DF-->13.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-INFO ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:50 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:50 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:59 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:59 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:50:03 PM : [22 D 10 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3 The error message is it cannot determine Insteon engine.
LeeG Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Device 22.0D.10 is not responding to first command. There is other device activity in the trace but no 02 50 .... response to the three attempts to query Insteon Engine. Might not be in linking mode or not in range of Dual Band device or wrong Insteon address. Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [22 D 10 ] Added to list of devices to link to ISYSat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 30.6C.0B 41 13 01 LTOFFRR(01)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Cleanup ] 31.E3.DF-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 13.01.01 CB 06 00 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Group ] 31.E3.DF-->13.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-INFO ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 31.E3.DF 13.01.01 CB 06 00 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [std-Group ] 31.E3.DF-->13.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:41 PM : [iNST-INFO ] Previous message ignored.Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:50 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:50 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:59 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 22 0D 10 0F 0D 00Sat 12/13/2014 03:49:59 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 0F 0D 00 06 (00)Sat 12/13/2014 03:50:03 PM : [22 D 10 0 ] Failed to add device, reason 3 Edited December 13, 2014 by LeeG
hart2hart Posted December 13, 2014 Author Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Thanks Lee. I've got dual band switches a couple feet away but I installed a spare access point in outlet very near and it added. Now the problem is I can see everything from tstat on ISY except current state which I assume would be temp and is what I actually wanted. What do you think? BTW I was able to wire to a 5 V power supply rather than use batteries. Edit: It finally displayed. Does temperature have to change to transmit. I though a query would get it since it is plugged in... Edited December 14, 2014 by hart2hart
stusviews Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Battery powered devices, even with a power adapter, do not show their state unless activated. If you want temperature to control other devices, then create a scene including those devices and the Cool or Heat Ctl as appropriate. The devices will respond to the set point.
hart2hart Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks. What do you mean by activated? It shows humidity so Thats why I assumed it would show temperature. I was going to use programs based on temp but a scene based on heat cool activation might work. I've got logic based on temp ranges. Until today was using outside temp for purpose of some control of unfinished basement area.
stusviews Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 The status shows when the temperature changes.
Techman Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) If you have a power supply hooked up the thermostat you should be able to query the device. If it's only battery powered then the query will not work as the device sleeps until either the humidity or temperature changes. However if powered by either battery or power supply the temperature and humidity will not update or populate the ISY until one of the parameters on the thermostat changes Edited December 14, 2014 by Techman
hart2hart Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 I'm not getting Current Status / "Temperature". I deleted and re-added (even used old rule from Venstar dys that it be in Off Mode). It has batteries and is hooked to a 5VDC Power Supply - measured at 5.27. Following is a log of Query and there is nothing that looks like temp or double temp but humidity is clearly there. What am I doing wrong or is it a bad unit. Can anyone (or to those that have already responded are you saying you have one and see that it does) confirm it should be sending Temp on query? Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:36 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 22 0D 10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:36 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96 06 (02)Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:38 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 22.0D.10 30.6C.0B 2B 2E 02 (02)Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:38 AM : [std-Direct Ack] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 22 0D 10 30 6C 0B 11 2E 02 01 01 0C 0A 12 20 50 25 00 D6 A2 4E 84 C9Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLISPC] [160] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLISPC 160Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLISPH] [156] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLISPH 156Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIHUM] [37] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIHUM 37Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 22 0D 10 1F 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D2Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 1F 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D2 06 (00)Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 22 0D 10 30 6C 0B 16 2E 02 01 01 0C 0A 12 20 50 25 00 D6 A2 4E 84 C9Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:39 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIMD] [0] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIMD 0Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIFS] [8] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIFS 8Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [uOM] [2] uom=0 prec=-1Sun 12/14/2014 08:54:40 AM : [ 22 D 10 1] UOM 2
hart2hart Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 I read full user manual and it speaks of link mode type EF on page 13 of manual. Footnote says can only be set by software and I don't see this in ISY interface. Is this what I'm missing?
LeeG Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 The ISY uses command 0x6A to pull current temp from 2441TH and 2491T. That command is not sent to 2441ZTH when doing Query. I sent a 0x6A to my 2441ZTH with no temp returned. I take from that the 2441ZTH does not support Query of temp.
hart2hart Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Lee, thanks for extra effort. I'm still wondering if section from page 13 of user manual indicates it can do more with a different software link mode. Funny thing is it has reported temp on its own. Just not sure cause. From page 13 including footnote. INSTEON ProgrammingAdd INSTEON Wireless Thermostat as a ControllerINSTEON Wireless Thermostat can be set up to control other INSTEON devices or trigger software events when there is a change. The following INSTEON Wireless Thermostat changes can be configured as a controller (note that when linked to an INSTEON Thermostat, these commands will not function):• Group 1 - Cooling mode change (scene control)• Group 2 - Heating mode change (scene control)• Group 3 - Dehumidification, high humidity setpoint (scene control)• Group 4 - Humidification, low humidity setpoint (scene control)• Group EF - Broadcast on any change (notification group for linked software controllers)1 1 Group EF is a hexadecimal representation of Group 254 and can only be configured using software Edited December 14, 2014 by hart2hart
Techman Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 hart2hart a query will not provide temperature or humidity. the only time temperature and humidity will be updated in the ISY is when one of the values on the thermostat changes. I have several 2441ZTH's, one I use to turn on the bathroom exhaust fan when the humidity exceeds a predefined level, I use another to turn on an exhaust fan in an equipment closet when the temperature exceeds a set level. If you want to force the thermostat to manually update in the ISY blow hot air on it.
hart2hart Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) Techman, I'd be happy if it updated when it changed and I blew hot air on it several times yesterday to test. The problem is it does not update itself for changes or when queried. Btw it does return humidity when queried. Edited December 14, 2014 by hart2hart
hart2hart Posted December 15, 2014 Author Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) As a final effort of the day, I removed from ISY and did a factory reset on Tstat. (manual says if you get a two digit error code call SH -- I got 00 which would not usually be an error but I'll call?) I added it back to ISY. To test I did a query and it did give ST of 138 but a few minutes later I performed query again and ST was not returned and even further the displayed Current Status value of 69 on ISY device screen was cleared. Log of Query returning Temp/Status follows: It is not updating Temperature but appears to update Humidity. Temp is at 69 but will rise with blow dryer test. Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:06 PM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 22 0D 10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:06 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96 06 (02) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:09 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 22.0D.10 30.6C.0B 03 6E 8A (8A) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:09 PM : [std-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:09 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [sT] [138] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:09 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] ST 138 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:18 PM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 22 0D 10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:18 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 1F 2E 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 92 96 06 (02) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:19 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 22.0D.10 30.6C.0B 2B 2E 02 (02) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:19 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 22 0D 10 30 6C 0B 11 2E 02 01 01 0C 0C 37 00 50 26 00 D0 A0 3C 32 C9 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLISPC] [160] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLISPC 160 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLISPH] [120] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLISPH 120 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIHUM] [38] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIHUM 38 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [iNST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 22 0D 10 1F 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D2 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:20 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 22.0D.10 1F 2E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D2 06 (00) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:21 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 22.0D.10 30.6C.0B 2B 2E 00 (00) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:21 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:21 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 22 0D 10 30 6C 0B 11 2E 00 00 01 00 D0 26 F8 EB 00 00 0A 05 04 00 00 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:21 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:21 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1F C3 DD 0F 19 01 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1F.C3.DD 0F 19 01 06 LTSREQ (01) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 22 0D 10 30 6C 0B 12 D1 C0 00 01 00 D0 26 F8 EB 00 00 0A 05 04 00 00 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 22.0D.10-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1F.C3.DD 30.6C.0B 2F 03 00 (00) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 1F.C3.DD-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1F C3 DD 0F 19 00 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:22 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1F.C3.DD 0F 19 00 06 LTSREQ (LIGHT) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1F.C3.DD 30.6C.0B 2B 03 00 (00) Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 1F.C3.DD-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIMD] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIMD 0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [CLIFS] [8] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] CLIFS 8 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [22 D 10 1] [uOM] [2] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [ 22 D 10 1] UOM 2 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1F C3 DD 1] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [ 1F C3 DD 1] ST 0 Sun 12/14/2014 08:58:23 PM : [D2D-CMP 00B7] STS [1F C3 DD 1] ST op=1 Event(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true Edited December 15, 2014 by hart2hart
hart2hart Posted December 17, 2014 Author Posted December 17, 2014 After the factory reset, its working as expected updating for 2 degree changes. I've got it controlling a heater via appliancelinc for my dog. It appears from reading a little testing that if the thermostat loses power, (attached to AC and batteries installed but just in case) it starts up in Mode Off. Have others confirmed this to be the case. I'm guessing I need to create programs to restore mode and setpoints? at startup of if Mode shows as Off. Can anyone confirm what they have done before I experiment to confirm tstat behavior? Thanks
Techman Posted December 17, 2014 Posted December 17, 2014 The mode setting is a moot issue as you're only monitoring the temperature changes. The temperature and humidity will update in the ISY regardless of what the mode setting is. My modes are all set on off. If the tstat looses power it should resume sending data when the power is restored.
hart2hart Posted December 17, 2014 Author Posted December 17, 2014 Techman thanks. Based on advice here I stopped using temp and started using the heat and cool ctl devices. It reacts much faster and allows better control. My issue has become making sure it stays in correct mode and set point. Back to original question, what have people seen when Tstat loses power? Does ISY need to monitor and get it back in last state?
Techman Posted December 17, 2014 Posted December 17, 2014 If you use a program to turn on your applianceLinc based on temperature you won't have to worry about setting heat/cool points and/or modes in the thermostat. I've replaced batteries in my thermostat and it came back online without any button pushes, etc. Not sure what happens if you're using "mode" to control your applianceLinc. It's possible the thermostat may revert to off as a safety measure. Guess you could pull the batteries then put them back in to see what happens.
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