fastbird1 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Does anybody know if this works or if there is a list of Z-Wave products that work with ISY994-ZW devices? Thanks
416to305 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not sure if it does personally, but of all my z-wave devices (I don't have tons) they have all worked perfectly: 2 x GE Outdoor Plugs 4 x Linear Jasco wall switches 1 x Schlage door lock 1 x 2GIG Thermostat 1 x Philio Multi Sensor, light, temperature, motion My guess is that the ones you'd have to be careful of are possibly more specialized things like watering or things like that, but motion sensors, light switches etc should be fine. Do you have a Z-Wave network today or is this new? If so, you can use the Vera with the ISY if you needed to and it works very well. There's an ISY plugin for Vera which shows all your ISY devices on it, letting you use the Vera to control them, then with the Network Module you can also have the ISY control Vera devices, set variables etc.
PurdueGuy Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 As mentioned, basic items (on/off switches, dimmers, sensors) should work well. ISY queries them to determine their capabilities and reacts accordingly. Support for multichannel devices (scene/zone controllers, etc) is still coming. So things like Leviton in wall controllers won't work correctly yet.
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 I bought a bunch of these because they worked with the Veralite and I assumed they would work here on the ISY. But no. They install but show as uninitialized. There is not a status. I can't query it either. Nice looking device. I might use it instead of putty to fill the new 3/4" hole I drilled in my new door.
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 I'm not sure if it does personally, but of all my z-wave devices (I don't have tons) they have all worked perfectly: 2 x GE Outdoor Plugs 4 x Linear Jasco wall switches 1 x Schlage door lock 1 x 2GIG Thermostat 1 x Philio Multi Sensor, light, temperature, motion My guess is that the ones you'd have to be careful of are possibly more specialized things like watering or things like that, but motion sensors, light switches etc should be fine. Do you have a Z-Wave network today or is this new? If so, you can use the Vera with the ISY if you needed to and it works very well. There's an ISY plugin for Vera which shows all your ISY devices on it, letting you use the Vera to control them, then with the Network Module you can also have the ISY control Vera devices, set variables etc. I have the veralite. Can you tell me how I could use this along with the ISY to control the devices I need? I really only want to program in ISY, that is why I bought the ISY. I was going to return the veralite but now you have me intrigued.
416to305 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Oh sure, to make that door sensor work it's really easy and you don't even need the network module. On the Vera you'll add the Aeon door sensor to it, so that will probably be the only device on it, but doesn't matter can have as many as you want. Then you need to add the ISY plugin to the Vera, the link to it is below, and I think you need to be a member for it to show you the files in the forum, as the plugin is in the posts, but not obvious unless you're logged in. You upload those to the Vera as per the instructions which is easy, and it adds a new device to Vera called ISY. In there you enter the ISY IP address, and admin username and password. What this plugin actually does is creates a device now in Vera, one for every device on your ISY, and will let you control them from Vera or the ISY and the status stays in sync. That's not what you'll need to use though for the door sensor, but having all the devices from the ISY add to the Vera is mandatory due to the plugin. Next on the ISY you'll make a state variable for the door sensor, such as "sAeonSensor" where you'll say 0 is off and 1 is tripped or on. On the list of ISY variables they each have a number. So say this one is number 5. On the Vera you'll create a Vera Scene called "Aeon Sensor Tripped". You'll do it like any other Vera scene, saying the trigger is Aeon Sensor is tripped, and then under action, you'll select ISY as the device, and then on the sub menu where it shows all ISY devices, scenes etc, you'll select variable, and then in the box you'll enter 5. Then for value you'll enter 1. You then make one more scene but this time saying if the Aeon Sensor is not tripped, then make ISY Variable 5 = 0. Basically what you did here is using the plugin, you're making on the Vera a scene that when motion is sensed, it sets ISY Variable 5 or whatever one you pick to 1, and when no motion, it's 0. So now on the ISY you can write programs the way you normally would. Such as having an Insteon light turn on when motion is sensed on the Aeon sensor: If Variable sAeonSensor = 1 Then Control "Living Room Light" On and If Variable sAeonSensor = 0 Then Wait 20 Minutes Set Control "Living Room Light" Off Etc. So can make this work for most devices if you had any that are unsupported. I ran my network like this for a month or so until I just got the Z-Wave module for the ISY. Even though it's one system detecting motion and another responding, it actually had zero lag or delay. The ISY plugin is mainly designed for the Vera to control the ISY. If you have something on Vera (say it wasn't a motion sensor but some kind of advanced controller like a pool heater) that isn't supported on the ISY where you want the ISY to be able to be the one that controls it, then you'd need the network module. So say you had a Z-Wave light switch on the Vera for example, the ISY can control it using REST on the Vera easily, but you need the network module to do that. In your case though for just motion you don't. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=17309.0
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 Very helpfull. So when you say that i will need to add all the devices to the vera, does that mean i need to unlink or remove them from the isy? I have z-wave door locks, light switches, thermostats, etc. they all work good on the isy. Just these cute little hiddend door sensors that i predrilled are the problem. Also is there any problem sticking the veralite box in same cabinet of the isy994i-z?
416to305 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 No no I mean when you install the ISY plugin on the Vera, it will automatically create a device in the Vera for each device on the ISY. The Vera isn't controlling them, it's just a plugin that refreshes and keeps up with status, so if you turn a light off on the ISY, the Vera shows it off, or you could turn it off on the Vera etc. So another way to do what you want is say you want that Aeon sensor to turn the Kitchen light on with motion. You could even do that from the Vera without variables, the scene would just be "If trigger is Motion ON, then ISY Device Kitchen = ON" but doing it this way has the Vera run the program when you said the ISY is preferred. I have them both side by side without issue. Depending on the expense, the Insteon Hidden Door Sensor works really well and is similar.
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 But does the plugin for the Veralite work so that it can connect to the ISY994i-Z? That is what i bought. I spent like 6 hours last night and figured it only works for the ISY994I? I am down in Mexico trying to get this working so I can get home. What ISY model works? Thanks
416to305 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 I don't know what the ISY994i-Z does differently compared to my ISY994i with the Z-Wave module purchased separately for it, I assume they are basically the same. The plugin doesn't care about Z-Wave (but will show Z-Wave devices still). The plugin is for the Vera anyway, you don't change anything on the ISY. The plugin is just controlling the ISY through it's API so whether you have the Z-Wave module or not shouldn't matter. Make sure under ISY on the Vera that you have your local IP address for the ISY entered as well as the username and password. The forum I posted has instructions on installing it, then it will say Connected or Disconnected. If it says Connected then you are good, and can hit the button that updates devices or whatever it is, and then they all will just appear. I can't see any reason it shouldn't work with the ISY994i-Z. Basically going from memory it's something like: - Download the plugin from the MiCasaVerde forum and extract it. It has like 3 folders with files. - On Vera, go to Apps and then the spot where it shows all the lua and other files and lets you upload them. - Upload each of the files you downloaded. Not sure why they are in different folders, you just upload each file one by one don't worry about folders. - Restart LUA Engine and Save/Refresh browser maybe even restart the Vera - ISY should appear as a Vera device. - Click Configure on the ISY and on one tab it will have things like ISYIP, where you put the ISY's IP address and so on. Make sure it's the right spot as I think there's a field for IP and then one ISYIP or something like that (again going by memory) - Press Connect on the ISY in Vera and it should say connected. Might need to refresh the browser a few times. - Once it does that you're good, hit the button to download updates or refresh whatever it is, and all your devices will appear. Again you don't care so much about the devices there, it's more with the ISY plugin you can now do Vera scenes that will let you pick the ISY but modify ISY variables, scenes, etc not just devices.
416to305 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Have you checked with UDI support though btw? Just because if you go to the Z-Wave page, it shows all devices should work other than multi channel, and I don't think a door sensor would be multi channel, so it's surprising it doesn't work natively. Are you excluding it first and then including it? The Insteon Hidden Door Sensor also goes in a 3/4 inch hole if you do have to switch. The hole is on the door frame though not the door itself (nothing goes on the door itself) so not sure where your hole is but I'd imagine it would still work if you had the Insteon one installed in the door directly. It's a spring loaded ball that pushes down when the door closes. Where you may prefer the Insteon ones as well is that you can put them in scenes. So for example, if my bathroom door closes, the fan turns on instantly. That's a scene doing that, where as using Z-Wave sensors, you'd need to use an ISY program to turn the fan on or off. Works perfectly fine, only difference is if your ISY dies or gets unplugged etc, your closing of the door to turn the fan on won'y work, where as with Insteon all of that is programmed into the devices directly, so the ISY can be completely gone and it still works.
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 Have you checked with UDI support though btw? Just because if you go to the Z-Wave page, it shows all devices should work other than multi channel, and I don't think a door sensor would be multi channel, so it's surprising it doesn't work natively. Are you excluding it first and then including it? The Insteon Hidden Door Sensor also goes in a 3/4 inch hole if you do have to switch. The hole is on the door frame though not the door itself (nothing goes on the door itself) so not sure where your hole is but I'd imagine it would still work if you had the Insteon one installed in the door directly. It's a spring loaded ball that pushes down when the door closes. Where you may prefer the Insteon ones as well is that you can put them in scenes. So for example, if my bathroom door closes, the fan turns on instantly. That's a scene doing that, where as using Z-Wave sensors, you'd need to use an ISY program to turn the fan on or off. Works perfectly fine, only difference is if your ISY dies or gets unplugged etc, your closing of the door to turn the fan on won'y work, where as with Insteon all of that is programmed into the devices directly, so the ISY can be completely gone and it still works. I have very large wood doors that slide apart so figured one sensor would be good. I prefer the insteon product but the themostats i found for insteon are not that great. They are for controlling the thermostats.
416to305 Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Yeah I don't use the Insteon thermostat mine is z-wave they are much better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 This is a photo of where i was putting it. Since the doors close into themselves, there is not much room for any other way unless i want to see them.
fastbird1 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Posted January 20, 2015 The event viewer shows the unititiated device as 0 when not near a magnet and 255 when magnet close. But there are no options that i see to program it for anything useful.
416to305 Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Well the 0 and 255 are definitely positive at least since it's definitely working, just the ISY is having an issue with it, so it might be a software issue I'm not sure. I'd suggest checking with UDI support as you can send them your event log and they will at least be able to say right away why it doesn't work, or if it at least "should" work type thing. It's not as pretty since it's more visible, but for doors like that if you do have to go Insteon, then you'd want to look at the TriggerLinc vs the Hidden Door Sensor.
fastbird1 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 Oh sure, to make that door sensor work it's really easy and you don't even need the network module. On the Vera you'll add the Aeon door sensor to it, so that will probably be the only device on it, but doesn't matter can have as many as you want. Then you need to add the ISY plugin to the Vera, the link to it is below, and I think you need to be a member for it to show you the files in the forum, as the plugin is in the posts, but not obvious unless you're logged in. You upload those to the Vera as per the instructions which is easy, and it adds a new device to Vera called ISY. In there you enter the ISY IP address, and admin username and password. What this plugin actually does is creates a device now in Vera, one for every device on your ISY, and will let you control them from Vera or the ISY and the status stays in sync. That's not what you'll need to use though for the door sensor, but having all the devices from the ISY add to the Vera is mandatory due to the plugin. Next on the ISY you'll make a state variable for the door sensor, such as "sAeonSensor" where you'll say 0 is off and 1 is tripped or on. On the list of ISY variables they each have a number. So say this one is number 5. On the Vera you'll create a Vera Scene called "Aeon Sensor Tripped". You'll do it like any other Vera scene, saying the trigger is Aeon Sensor is tripped, and then under action, you'll select ISY as the device, and then on the sub menu where it shows all ISY devices, scenes etc, you'll select variable, and then in the box you'll enter 5. Then for value you'll enter 1. You then make one more scene but this time saying if the Aeon Sensor is not tripped, then make ISY Variable 5 = 0. Basically what you did here is using the plugin, you're making on the Vera a scene that when motion is sensed, it sets ISY Variable 5 or whatever one you pick to 1, and when no motion, it's 0. So now on the ISY you can write programs the way you normally would. Such as having an Insteon light turn on when motion is sensed on the Aeon sensor: If Variable sAeonSensor = 1 Then Control "Living Room Light" On and If Variable sAeonSensor = 0 Then Wait 20 Minutes Set Control "Living Room Light" Off Etc. So can make this work for most devices if you had any that are unsupported. I ran my network like this for a month or so until I just got the Z-Wave module for the ISY. Even though it's one system detecting motion and another responding, it actually had zero lag or delay. The ISY plugin is mainly designed for the Vera to control the ISY. If you have something on Vera (say it wasn't a motion sensor but some kind of advanced controller like a pool heater) that isn't supported on the ISY where you want the ISY to be able to be the one that controls it, then you'd need the network module. So say you had a Z-Wave light switch on the Vera for example, the ISY can control it using REST on the Vera easily, but you need the network module to do that. In your case though for just motion you don't. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?topic=17309.0 Ok, finaly got this to work and it shows connected. I see my devices that are associated with the isy zwave. So now i have added to the vera the unsupported device. How do i use the isy to control the device? How do i check the status of a device associated with the vera from the isy? Seems like i need the isy to log into the vera, not the otherway around? What am i missing? Thanks
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