mattavila Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I recently swapped a dead 2486D 8 button keypad with a "new" dual-band 5 button keypad (didn’t need the extra buttons) and for whatever reason the newer model seems to behave differently. I now have three of these "new" devices in my system, and they seem "different". the latest swap had indicators for my garage door status and one button set for NON-TOGGLE OFF mode (this would then only CLOSE the open door). so far this seems to work okay. The button is a RESPONSER to the door status program, although I cannot get it to light when the door program is true (all other keypads work fine - two "old" and one other "new"). In fact NONE of the "other" buttons, A,B,or C seem to respond and indicate status, just the "main ON or OFF button", and D button (D is a responder to an IOlinc connected to a freeze alarm)....This is particularly frustrating! I have changed that garage status to respond to ONLY the IOLinc and it still doesnt work either. I also have another "new" that’s part of lighting scenes and when the load dimmer (a single 2476D) is say 50% on, pressing the keypad button doesn’t turn the lights off, but rather UP to 100%... it then takes a second press to turn them off (still annoying, but not as much as the above status) Not sure what anyone would need to see although I can post most anything form the ISY setup necessary. Im not new to using this - but one would THINK its somewhat simple. All suggestions would be appreciated. Thx
mattavila Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Well, as I said, Im not "new" to using these products - however Id chalk this up to an ID-10-T error.... Digging into the links table showed some major inconsistencies (especially that I had just added it as a new device and only linked a few programs to it). At any rate, a complete "device resort" seems to have fixed ALL the issues - at least from a status indication perspective. Now responds to all status from programs and other keypads. The behavior of the "turn on to 100%" is a scene is say dimmed to 50% is still annoying, but Ill fight that another day.
Scyto Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 yes, I had similar issues and had to do a reset, seems to happen if comms to the device is funky it seems to corrupt it. I still have issues, for example I have 2 KPLs one controls CANS and other control SCONCES directly. I setup A thru D on one KPL to turn both the cans and sconces on at one of 4 predefined levels. So if I press say D it comes on at 75%, press D again the lights all go off and the D button becomes unlit. However if I (or usually my wife) press off on both KPLs the D button is still lit. Pressing it once toggles the D button light and effects no other change. Any suggestions how I get the D button light to turn off? I find these KPLs very difficult to manage....
Jimbo.Automates Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Add the D button to the other scene as a responder and set the on level to zero for the D for the controller of the other scene. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
Scyto Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Not sure I quite understand. The other level is not a scene, this a switchlinc dimmer so it is just the load - are you saying I should make the D button a responder to the load on/off
Jimbo.Automates Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Yes, create a scene with the SWL as the controller and add the KPL.D to the scene. If you want the D to be off when the SWL is on, the select the SWL inside the scene and adjust the level of the D. I may be confused on exactly what you want, so if this doesn't make sense, describe your requirement in more detail.
Scyto Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I perhaps should have been clearer. There is ONLY a 6 button SWL not a KPL (I was using the term KPL a little loosely) that said I will see if I can create a scene that when the load buttons are used on the SWL it turns off the A/B/C/D buttons, I was worried that doing that would turn the scene(s) off that the A/B/C/D buttons control, rather than just the LEDs. Let me try and I can post results back here.
LeeG Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 An Insteon SwitchLinc has a single paddle. There is an Insteon 6 button KeypadLinc with the small center buttons being A,B,C,D. I'm not questioning the terminology for its own sake. Users here will not know about a 6 button SwitchLinc. That is why the previous suggestion did not apply.
stusviews Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 The ISY identifies the 6-button KPL (2334-232) as a 5-button KPL. Actually, it's a 6-button device that has 5 controllers/responders, one of which controls the device's load
Scyto Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Agree I need to be more precise. So to be super specific I am talking about two 2334-232 Keypad Dimmers. This is neither a SWL or a KPL as the term linc is not used in their name. I had said SWL because I knew KPLs didn't control loads directly like the 2334-232 does. So can we agree on the forum these are called KPDs? I was being lazy in terms because this was 2334-232 thread and while it may have only 5 responders it does have 6 buttons - that's how many the wife counts And back to the matter at hand which solution should I try first a scene or editing/creating my programs to turn of the A/B/C/D LED when it detects the 2 load buttons was pushed or held? Edited January 29, 2015 by Scyto
Jimbo.Automates Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Sorry I contributed to the confusion, it seems that most people call 6 and 8 button Keypad Dimmer and Keypad Switch KPL's... My confusion came from SWL which to me, means a single paddle switch link... There are many ways to do it, but personally I would create a scene with the main button as the controller and the D button as a responder, set to off.
stusviews Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 SH is the confuser. KeypadLincs were KPL Dimmers or KPL Relays, now they're Keypad Dimmer Switches and Scene Control Keypads with On/Off Switches which are also called KeypadLinc. Access Points are Range Extenders, ApplianceLincs are On/Off Modules. SwitchLincs are still SwitchLincs, but instead of Dimmer and Relay, they're Dimmer and On/Off. It's likely that Keypads will continue to be referred to as KPLs for a while.
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