keypadlinc 5 // 2334-232 status LED inconsitiencies

[mattavila]

I recently swapped a dead 2486D 8 button keypad with a "new" dual-band 5 button keypad (didn’t need the extra buttons) and for whatever reason the newer model seems to behave differently. I now have three of these "new" devices in my system, and they seem "different".

 

the latest swap had indicators for my garage door status and one button set for NON-TOGGLE OFF mode (this would then only CLOSE the open door). so far this seems to work okay. The button is a RESPONSER to the door status program, although I cannot get it to light when the door program is true (all other keypads work fine - two "old" and one other "new"). In fact NONE of the "other" buttons, A,B,or C seem to respond and indicate status, just the "main ON or OFF button", and D button (D is a responder to an IOlinc connected to a freeze alarm)....This is particularly frustrating! I have changed that garage status to respond to ONLY the IOLinc and it still doesnt work either.

 

I also have another "new" that’s part of lighting scenes and when the load dimmer (a single 2476D) is say 50% on, pressing the keypad button doesn’t turn the lights off, but rather UP to 100%... it then takes a second press to turn them off (still annoying, but not as much as the above status)

 

Not sure what anyone would need to see although I can post most anything form the ISY setup necessary. Im not new to using this - but one would THINK its somewhat simple.

 

All suggestions would be appreciated. Thx

[mattavila]

Well, as I said, Im not "new" to using these products - however Id chalk this up to an ID-10-T error.... Digging into the links table showed some major inconsistencies (especially that I had just added it as a new device and only linked a few programs to it). At any rate, a complete "device resort" seems to have fixed ALL the issues - at least from a status indication perspective. Now responds to all status from programs and other keypads.

 

The behavior of the "turn on to 100%" is a scene is say dimmed to 50% is still annoying, but Ill fight that another day.

[Scyto]

yes, I had similar issues and had to do a reset, seems to happen if comms to the device is funky it seems to corrupt it.

 

I still have issues, for example I have 2 KPLs one controls CANS and other control SCONCES directly.  I setup A thru D on one KPL to turn both the cans and sconces on at one of 4 predefined levels.  So if I press say D it comes on at 75%, press D again the lights all go off and the D button becomes unlit.

 

However if I (or usually my wife) press off on both KPLs the D button is still lit.  Pressing it once toggles the D button light and effects no other change.

 

Any suggestions how I get the D button light to turn off?  I find these KPLs very difficult to manage....

[Jimbo.Automates]

Add the D button to the other scene as a responder and set the on level to zero for the D for the controller of the other scene.

 

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[Scyto]

Not sure I quite understand. The other level is not a scene, this a switchlinc dimmer so it is just the load - are you saying I should make the D button a responder to the load on/off

[Jimbo.Automates]

Yes, create a scene with the SWL as the controller and add the KPL.D to the scene. If you want the D to be off when the SWL is on, the select the SWL inside the scene and adjust the level of the D. I may be confused on exactly what you want, so if this doesn't make sense, describe your requirement in more detail.

[Scyto]

I perhaps should have been clearer.  There is ONLY a 6 button SWL not a KPL (I was using the term KPL a little loosely) that said I will see if I can create a scene that when the load buttons are used on the SWL it turns off the A/B/C/D buttons, I was worried that doing that would turn the scene(s) off that the A/B/C/D buttons control, rather than just the LEDs.  Let me try and I can post results back here.

[LeeG]

An Insteon SwitchLinc has a single paddle.   There is an Insteon 6 button KeypadLinc with the small center buttons being A,B,C,D.  I'm not questioning the terminology for its own sake.  Users here will not know about a 6 button SwitchLinc.  That is why the previous suggestion did not apply.  

[stusviews]

The ISY identifies the 6-button KPL (2334-232)  as a 5-button KPL. Actually, it's a 6-button device that has 5 controllers/responders, one of which controls the device's load

[Scyto]

Agree I need to be more precise.    So to be super specific I am talking about two 2334-232 Keypad Dimmers. This is neither a SWL or a KPL as the term linc is not used in their name.  I had said SWL because I knew KPLs didn't control loads directly like the 2334-232 does.  So can we agree on the forum these are called KPDs?  I was being lazy in terms because this was 2334-232 thread and while it may have only 5 responders it does have 6 buttons - that's how many the wife counts 

 

And back to the matter at hand which solution should I try first a scene or editing/creating my programs to turn of the A/B/C/D LED when it detects the 2 load buttons was pushed or held?

[Jimbo.Automates]

Sorry I contributed to the confusion, it seems that most people call 6 and 8 button Keypad Dimmer and Keypad Switch KPL's...  My confusion came from SWL which to me, means a single paddle switch link...

 

There are many ways to do it, but personally I would create a scene with the main button as the controller and the D button as a responder, set to off.

[stusviews]

SH is the confuser. KeypadLincs were KPL Dimmers or KPL Relays, now they're Keypad Dimmer Switches and Scene Control Keypads with On/Off Switches which are also called KeypadLinc. Access Points are Range Extenders, ApplianceLincs are On/Off Modules. SwitchLincs are still SwitchLincs, but instead of Dimmer and Relay, they're Dimmer and On/Off.

 

It's likely that Keypads will continue to be referred to as KPLs for a while.