Simple 3 way dimmer switch question

[EricK]

Fahrvergnuugen,

Here are my thoughts on this. I rarely use a phone or tablet to control my lights. When I do it is typically thru roomie remote which integrates very well with the isy. A theater on button turns on my gear and sets the lights to specific levels. Watching a DVD/BD and hit the break button, the movie pauses and the main lights come up. Roomie also has the ability to run a program so when I turn the system off the lights turn off on a delay. If I had a nice clean app like yours I might use it from time to time. I sometimes access the isy directly with an ios device.

What I have found is for lights that are on a dimmer, I never adjust them manually, usually just on to a certain level and off. Almost all of my devices are part of at least one scene.

I do have the lights for our stairs on a dimmer. We never touch the switch or Kpl button that controls the light. The light does change among three brightness levels during the day. In the playroom the lights turn on to 100% or a dim button on a Kpl brings them down to 20%. In the movie room I have scene 1 and scene 2 with different brightness levels for the ceiling lights.

Where I am going with this is that it would be nice to have the slider for your scene, but that just does seem like it is going to work. I would suggest creating multiple scenes with the same scene members, each with the on levels you want. 2 scenes would probably be enough or maybe you would need 3. Dining 100%, dining 50%, dining intimate, or whatever you wish to name them. If you find that you want a light full on in the evening, 50% in the morning, then consider using an adjust scene program. You would have buttons rather than sliders but I think things would function very well.

Eric

[fahrvergnuugen]

Hello Xathros, thanks so very much. Indeed a typo.

 

Hello fahrvergnuugen,

Going back to relays within scenes: as you already know, those relays can their own on/off levels within scenes. So, you can send an On to the Scene and one relay may turn off.

 

Anyway, and since - and with your impressive experience - I am sure you already know the risks of changing a stable, well tested, and understood function and all the regression and bugs that might be introduced. Unfortunately we cannot implement this for scenes. I have however created a product request (#168) to analyze what else we can do with minimal impact to existing operations.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Hi Michel, that's really great news. Thanks for considering a solution to this problem.

 

 

Fahrvergnuugen,

Here are my thoughts on this. I rarely use a phone or tablet to control my lights. When I do it is typically thru roomie remote which integrates very well with the isy. A theater on button turns on my gear and sets the lights to specific levels. Watching a DVD/BD and hit the break button, the movie pauses and the main lights come up. Roomie also has the ability to run a program so when I turn the system off the lights turn off on a delay. If I had a nice clean app like yours I might use it from time to time. I sometimes access the isy directly with an ios device.

What I have found is for lights that are on a dimmer, I never adjust them manually, usually just on to a certain level and off. Almost all of my devices are part of at least one scene.

I do have the lights for our stairs on a dimmer. We never touch the switch or Kpl button that controls the light. The light does change among three brightness levels during the day. In the playroom the lights turn on to 100% or a dim button on a Kpl brings them down to 20%. In the movie room I have scene 1 and scene 2 with different brightness levels for the ceiling lights.

Where I am going with this is that it would be nice to have the slider for your scene, but that just does seem like it is going to work. I would suggest creating multiple scenes with the same scene members, each with the on levels you want. 2 scenes would probably be enough or maybe you would need 3. Dining 100%, dining 50%, dining intimate, or whatever you wish to name them. If you find that you want a light full on in the evening, 50% in the morning, then consider using an adjust scene program. You would have buttons rather than sliders but I think things would function very well.

Eric

 

 

Hi Eric,

You would probably never want to send a direct brightness command to more complex scenes as you have described. These examples are probably what most people think about when you talk about scenes, and is one of the reasons so many people don't "get" this request.

 

The problem is that the the setup of a simple 3 way switch with a single load also requires the creation of a scene, which I have always found to be a little strange, but it is what it is.

This is where the direct brightness command makes sense. Currently you can send direct brightness commands to a 2 way switch with a single load, but you can't do it for a 3 way switch with a single load. That's just a silly limitation that the ISY could solve.

[Jimbo.Automates]

Everyone "gets" your request, you do not get or acknowledge that this request does not fit into a scene definition. If you would have pushed your request for a new feature instead of pushing for a enhancement to a silly limitation would get much further. What you see as a silly limitation, most see as a great feature. But with your vast experience in insteon and home automation, I'm sure that most are wrong.

 

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[fahrvergnuugen]

Everyone "gets" your request, you do not get or acknowledge that this request does not fit into a scene definition. If you would have pushed your request for a new feature instead of pushing for a enhancement to a silly limitation would get much further. What you see as a silly limitation, most see as a great feature. But with your vast experience in insteon and home automation, I'm sure that most are wrong.

 

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Thanks for contributing.

[Jimbo.Automates]

For sure. Thanks for making my point!

 

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