Autelis Not Sending Data

[Grizzy]

Hello,

 

I have my new Autelis Bridge powered up with one sensor connected.

 

I have the firmware upgraded to 1.3.2

 

Autelis shows me correct temperature on test sensor.

 

Entered all information for ISY

 

Created state variable in ISY = ID - 25

 

Entered ID 25 for variable in Autelis and start for offset.

 

Set ISY network parameters for Autelis Bridge

 

Cannot get any communication either direction

 

Using the test on Autelis setup does not send any 999 to any variable on the ISY

 

Sending a TEST on ISY network page returns a communication error.

 

I'm missing something probably simple.

 

Can someone give me some suggestions.

 

I assumed I can send data to the ISY and it will update the variable without any rules defined in the ISY ?

 

Thanks

Don

[Teken]

Hello,

 

I have my new Autelis Bridge powered up with one sensor connected.

 

I have the firmware upgraded to 1.3.2

 

Autelis shows me correct temperature on test sensor.

 

Entered all information for ISY

 

Created state variable in ISY = ID - 25

 

Entered ID 25 for variable in Autelis and start for offset.

 

Set ISY network parameters for Autelis Bridge

 

Cannot get any communication either direction

 

Using the test on Autelis setup does not send any 999 to any variable on the ISY

 

Sending a TEST on ISY network page returns a communication error.

 

I'm missing something probably simple.

 

Can someone give me some suggestions.

 

I assumed I can send data to the ISY and it will update the variable without any rules defined in the ISY ?

 

Thanks

Don

 

Hello Don,

 

Some things off the top of my head you could check and validate.

 

1. IP Address to the ISY is correct.

2. ISY HTTP Port.

 

Can you provide some screen shot of the ISY / Network Tabs?

[Grizzy]

Hello Don,

 

Some things off the top of my head you could check and validate.

 

1. IP Address to the ISY is correct.

2. ISY HTTP Port.

 

Can you provide some screen shot of the ISY / Network Tabs?

I will verify the above 2 items.

 

How is an easy way to send screen shots. I have a screen capture that will save a JPEG then use attach file ? Is there an easier way.

 

Don

[Teken]

I will verify the above 2 items.

 

How is an easy way to send screen shots. I have a screen capture that will save a JPEG then use attach file ? Is there an easier way.

 

Don

 

Hello Don,

 

Yes, just browse to the image you captured and then select attach file.

[Grizzy]

Not sure about the isy port. I have not changed it so I think it is 80 ?

 

 

[Teken]

Hello Don,

 

I believe you missed entering the ISY 1 Wire Variable Offset: 25  Please also login to the ISY and confirm in the Configuration -> Systems -> HTTP Port is indeed set to 80 if not change it to what ever it is so it matches in the Autelis Bridge 

[Grizzy]

Hello Don,

 

I believe you missed entering the ISY 1 Wire Variable Offset: 25 Please also login to the ISY and confirm in the Configuration -> Systems -> HTTP Port is indeed set to 80 if not change it to what ever it is so it matches in the Autelis Bridge

Hi,

 

Good / Bad News.

 

The temperature is now showing in the assigned variable, However the test function on the Autelis still does not place 999 in the variable ?

 

Can the ISY force the Autelis to send data on request ?

 

 

Thanks

Don

[Teken]

Hi,

 

Good / Bad News.

 

The temperature is now showing in the assigned variable, However the test function on the Autelis still does not place 999 in the variable ?

 

Can the ISY force the Autelis to send data on request ?

 

 

Thanks

Don

 

Hello Don,

 

I have never personally used the *TEST* function so can't comment on that feature. I would suggest you inquire with the vendor (Ben) and ask for a step by step guide as to how its set up and used.

 

With respect to the ISY forcing the Autelis to send data to it I have never tried to do this either. Can you explain to me what you're expecting or what problems you're encountering?

 

Perhaps then I can give some insight . . .

[Grizzy]

Hello Don,

 

I have never personally used the *TEST* function so can't comment on that feature. I would suggest you inquire with the vendor (Ben) and ask for a step by step guide as to how its set up and used.

 

With respect to the ISY forcing the Autelis to send data to it I have never tried to do this either. Can you explain to me what you're expecting or what problems you're encountering?

 

Perhaps then I can give some insight . . .

Good Morning Teken,

 

I intend to use the AB primary for RS-232 and secondary for 1 wire.

 

Assuming all 32 1 wire devices are active and reporting and there is a significant RS-232 traffic , my concern is the amount of network traffic.

 

Because I do not require all 32 points why send all of them thereby reducing network traffic and CPU work load.

 

Data collection should have the option 1) Send all at timed interval. 2) On Demand. 3) Single or Multiple Channel Selection.

 

Yet another question, can the ISY write to the 1 wire devices for control. For example a relay board ?

 

This box has tremendous potiental , I hope these functions are available or can be implemented.

 

From reading all the posts and getting things accomplished, TEKEN is the goto person

 

You are appreciated !

 

Don

[Grizzy]

P.S.

 

My network is all 100 MPS and becoming slower. With home automation, video surveillance, Internet Browsing, Netflix, etc.

 

I need to be conservative where possible, You Know having a "GREEN" "NETWORK".

[Teken]

Good Morning Teken,

 

I intend to use the AB primary for RS-232 and secondary for 1 wire.

 

Assuming all 32 1 wire devices are active and reporting and there is a significant RS-232 traffic , my concern is the amount of network traffic.

 

Because I do not require all 32 points why send all of them thereby reducing network traffic and CPU work load.

 

Data collection should have the option 1) Send all at timed interval. 2) On Demand. 3) Single or Multiple Channel Selection.

 

Yet another question, can the ISY write to the 1 wire devices for control. For example a relay board ?

 

This box has tremendous potiental , I hope these functions are available or can be implemented.

 

From reading all the posts and getting things accomplished, TEKEN is the goto person

 

You are appreciated !

 

Don

Hello Don,

 

The Autelis Bridge currently has a 1 Wire Send Interval(s) under the settings tab. This is a global send interval timer and have found 25-30 seconds to be a good balance of reporting, live status, and network traffic. If you feel you could live with a send interval of 60 seconds that would reduce the amount of traffic considerably.

 

I would highly suggest you make a *Feature Request* thread in the Autelis Forums for: Data collection should have the option 1) Send all at timed interval. 2) On Demand. 3) Single or Multiple Channel Selection.

 

As I would support such a feature upgrade as it adds more flexibility and power to the unit. With respect to the *Can the ISY write to the 1 wire devices for control. For example a relay board ?* I understood the Autelis Bridge allowed two way communications to RS-232 (Serial) devices. But have not crossed that path as of yet because there wasn't any need at that point.

 

I would pose that question to (Ben) at Autelis and see what he says and inquire how the ISY Series Controller is set up to complete this action. I am going to take a wild guess that it will require commands programmed via the Network Module and the use of the Rules in the Autelis Bridge.

 

Lastly, much thanks for the compliments as you're aware lots of this stuff was not well documented or worse people simply didn't provide clear answers. I have always prided myself in being able to communicate effectively, clearly, and with direction. In my past life my primary role was what the industry calls *Dog Food* testing.

 

My job was to take software / hardware and test every facet and document any bugs, faults, and discrepancies in advertised features vs the real product. Basically, my secondary role was to think sh^t up!

 

Ha . . .

 

I loved that job and it was quite rewarding helping to shape, guide, and ultimately release a final product which I had lots of input to. This same love of helping others such as Apple, Autelis, Aquantas, Brultech, Cisco, Intel, Insteon, Microsoft, Universal Devices, etc. Have all been for one real purpose and that has to help make the final product better and more intuitive for the end users.

 

If you have read the many forum posts here in the UDI / Autelis Forum its safe to say the final product you have in your hands today is due to the feed back from me. When I see a product that has so much potential and value I take serious interest in pushing the vendors to expand and develop it.

 

Its safe to say over the years the prodding / nudge approach has worked quite well for me.

 

Ha . . .

 

Sometimes I find the vendor(s) are less than open or eager to update their wares. This is where I believe it comes down to making a business case and also helping the vendor push more product / sales.

 

The intent of the *Install Thread* in the Brultech forum was to track my efforts, failures, milestones, and accomplishments. But more so to help show case some of the best talent, products, and business's in the market place. Doing so provided more exposure, awareness, and often times cross sales of the product.

 

I guess some people see me as a sales person for some of these products, when in reality. My view is I'm just some random guy on the Internet who just so happen to provide some feed back about a product that I like and really helped me solve an existing problem.

 

As you noted early on *Blazing a trail* often comes with lots of waiting, patience, and understanding . . .

 

My hopes are the Autelis Bridge will become a full fledged multi purpose box. For those following this thread and have an Autelis Bridge please do lend your voice in some of the *Feature Requests* here and in the Autelis Forum.

 

The vendor appears to me at least, adds new features based on user feed back. But since I am a lone voice what seems to be most of the time!

 

Its very hard to make a solid business case where only one user is asking for XXX feature etc. The silent majority is doing no one any favors especially (me) when they don't support my feature requests. All I know is the (current) shipping product to date is 300% better than it was before.

 

What people need to do is stop accepting half aszz products, features, or *That's good enough*.

 

At the end of the day I don't expect perfection and in my signature it states it clearly: Each day work toward progress, not perfection . . .

[Teken]

P.S.

 

My network is all 100 MPS and becoming slower. With home automation, video surveillance, Internet Browsing, Netflix, etc.

 

I need to be conservative where possible, You Know having a "GREEN" "NETWORK".

 

Don,

 

Given Internet sales its time to upgrade that T100 base network with a Gigabit router, switch. Also when there are high bandwidth devices like IP camera's you should really be segmenting the network. One subnet should be used solely for the IP cameras, another for streaming video's etc.

 

Another solution is to enable QOS (Quality of Service) this is where the router is programmed to provide resources to devices based on priority etc. Lastly, another solution is to run another *isolated* network which is dedicated for high bandwidth items like IP cameras.

 

The idea is to have a Gigabit network that does not rely on the bandwidth of the Internet but is local only to the user. Obviously this limits public access but this is a trade off for some but in my eyes this provides more security, privacy, and force protection for the home and occupants.

 

It should be noted that many IP cameras have many features where you can adjust the amount of data, and type of compression such as H.264, MJPEG, etc. Sometimes a balance can be found simply by making one camera offer still shots, and not stream etc. While other camera's can be set to lower FPS, bit rates, etc.

 

Its easy to leave the camera's to the highest 1080P resolution etc.

 

But, this assumes the entire network is well structured and capable in supporting such demands.

[Grizzy]

Don,

 

Given Internet sales its time to upgrade that T100 base network with a Gigabit router, switch. Also when there are high bandwidth devices like IP camera's you should really be segmenting the network. One subnet should be used solely for the IP cameras, another for streaming video's etc.

 

Another solution is to enable QOS (Quality of Service) this is where the router is programmed to provide resources to devices based on priority etc. Lastly, another solution is to run another *isolated* network which is dedicated for high bandwidth items like IP cameras.

 

The idea is to have a Gigabit network that does not rely on the bandwidth of the Internet but is local only to the user. Obviously this limits public access but this is a trade off for some but in my eyes this provides more security, privacy, and force protection for the home and occupants.

 

It should be noted that many IP cameras have many features where you can adjust the amount of data, and type of compression such as H.264, MJPEG, etc. Sometimes a balance can be found simply by making one camera offer still shots, and not stream etc. While other camera's can be set to lower FPS, bit rates, etc.

 

Its easy to leave the camera's to the highest 1080P resolution etc.

 

But, this assumes the entire network is well structured and capable in supporting such demands.

Hi,

 

Yep your right.

 

What we have is never enough !! Memory, CPU speed, Electricity, Money, Water, and Hair

 

In Between what I have and want is where I make it work.

 

I have changed some of my camera parameters as you recommended and that helps.

 

A perfect example of why the Autelis Bridge should implement the option for sending data I mentioned above. Flexibility attracts more users. After all The Implementation of your suggestions pushed me over the threshold to buy it.

 

Don

[Teken]

Hi,

 

Yep your right.

 

What we have is never enough !! Memory, CPU speed, Electricity, Money, Water, and Hair

 

In Between what I have and want is where I make it work.

 

I have changed some of my camera parameters as you recommended and that helps.

 

A perfect example of why the Autelis Bridge should implement the option for sending data I mentioned above. Flexibility attracts more users. After all The Implementation of your suggestions pushed me over the threshold to buy it.

 

Don

Ha . . . ️

 

Please do create a feature request in the Autelis forum with your ideas. I for one will support such a great idea.

 

Cheers!

 

 

Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

[larryllix]

Ha . . . ️

 

Please do create a feature request in the Autelis forum with your ideas. I for one will support such a great idea.

 

Cheers!

 

 

Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

Curious

 

Can the Autelis box report by exception? ie. only  on value changes with a timed override for long intervals where no values changes?

 

Can one write rules to accomplish this?

[Teken]

Curious

 

Can the Autelis box report by exception? ie. only  on value changes with a timed override for long intervals where no values changes?

 

Can one write rules to accomplish this?

 

I don't believe the current firmware supports such a feature with in. The system has the capacity to set the *Send Interval* in second(s) for the 32 channels.

 

Specifically, there is no option to do what you're asking about in its current form.

[Grizzy]

Ha . . . ️

 

Please do create a feature request in the Autelis forum with your ideas. I for one will support such a great idea.

 

Cheers!

 

 

Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

 

Teken,

 

Request has been submitted on the Autelis Forum.

 

Any and all support , comments , otherwise, on the Autelis Forum will be appreciated and helpful to move on forward.

 

Thanks Everyone !

[larryllix]

I don't believe the current firmware supports such a feature with in. The system has the capacity to set the *Send Interval* in second(s) for the 32 channels.

 

Specifically, there is no option to do what you're asking about in its current form.

Can the data be pulled/polled by ISY then?  ISY could run a less smart management system whereby frequency could be individualised and/or changed based on last value change size, time of day, or some other predictive method, etc.?

[Teken]

Can the data be pulled/polled by ISY then?  ISY could run a less smart management system whereby frequency could be individualised and/or changed based on last value change size, time of day, or some other predictive method, etc.?

 

As it is now the Autelis Bridge (AB) sends the the data to the ISY. What ever program logic the person has created in the ISY Series Controller would be able to accomplish most of what you stated above, no?

[larryllix]

As it is now the Autelis Bridge (AB) sends the the data to the ISY. What ever program logic the person has created in the ISY Series Controller would be able to accomplish most of what you stated above, no?

If I read this correctly the Autelis :

 

pushes all data to ISY on a cyclic timed basis.

  "I am going to tell you cyclically whether you want me to or not and even if nothing changed"

 

The last ISY logic I was referring to would require the Autelis to answer polls from the ISY 

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.3, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 18.6"

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.2, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 18.9"

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.6, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 19.0"

 

The first question was about update by exception. This can be initiated from either end .

 

Initiated from the sending end. (self initiated and reporting by exception) (=push logic)

   "If something changes I will tell you immediately and (optionally and better) if I have nothing to say for awhile I will send you something so you know I am still alive"

 

 OR initiated from the receiving  end (polling and reporting by exception)

   "You got anything?"  .... "Temp3 = 20.3, Temp23 = 28.3"

    "You got anything?" ..... "No changes"

    "You got anything?" ..... "Temp5 = 21.6"

    "You got anything?" .....

    "You got anything?".....

Autelis dead...notify  my user.

 

The techniques I was asking about all can eliminate data traffic volumes and yet can get faster changes through. I have seen some development of polling techniques over the year to SCADA equipment I worked with.

[Grizzy]

If I read this correctly the Autelis :

 

pushes all data to ISY on a cyclic timed basis.

  "I am going to tell you cyclically whether you want me to or not and even if nothing changed"

 

The last ISY logic I was referring to would require the Autelis to answer polls from the ISY 

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.3, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 18.6"

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.2, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 18.9"

  "You got anything?"  .... "Temp 31= 20.6, Temp 2 = ....., Temp 32 = 19.0"

 

The first question was about update by exception. This can be initiated from either end .

 

Initiated from the sending end. (self initiated and reporting by exception) (=push logic)

   "If something changes I will tell you immediately and (optionally and better) if I have nothing to say for awhile I will send you something so you know I am still alive"

 

 OR initiated from the receiving  end (polling and reporting by exception)

   "You got anything?"  .... "Temp3 = 20.3, Temp23 = 28.3"

    "You got anything?" ..... "No changes"

    "You got anything?" ..... "Temp5 = 21.6"

    "You got anything?" .....

    "You got anything?".....

Autelis dead...notify  my user.

 

The techniques I was asking about all can eliminate data traffic volumes and yet can get faster changes through. I have seen some development of polling techniques over the year to SCADA equipment I worked with.

Hi larryllix,

 

Excellent summation!

 

Thank you for the detailed examples.

 

Would you please post this on the Autelis Forum ?

 

We definitely need your support and point of view.

 

Thanks for your comments

Don

[larryllix]

Hi larryllix,

 

Excellent summation!

 

Thank you for the detailed examples.

 

Would you please post this on the Autelis Forum ?

 

We definitely need your support and point of view.

 

Thanks for your comments

Don

Done!

I attempted to improve on the details but it is hard to remember all the cool stuff involved.

 

Hope it helps. Let me know if any fish bite and I can input further.