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rleidy

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rleidy

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I have an iolinc controlling the garage door opener, and I've been experiencing an issue recently where it opens unexpectedly.  I created a notification to email me when the door opened so I could identify just when it occurs, and I had the event viewer open so I could capture the traffic.  Can someone make any sense of what is causing this?  The snippet from the event viewer should bracket the event, but I can post more if necessary.  The notification indicated that the garage door opened at 6:31:30pm.  It happened again later in the evening, so I should have a log of that as well.  I unplugged the iolinc until I can figure out what's going on.

 

The iolinc address is 34.88.C7.  It looks like that address first occurs at 6:31:19 PM

 

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 CB 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 38.FF.8F 46 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 36.88.5E-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 C7 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 00.00.01 CF 11 00    LTONRR (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Group   ] 34.88.C7-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 88 C7 1] [DON] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [  34 88 C7 1]      DON   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 88 C7 1] [ST] [255] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [  34 88 C7 1]       ST 255

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 0020] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 0013] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 000D] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 000A] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> false

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 38.FF.8F 45 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 34.88.C7-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 11.01.01 CF 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Group   ] 34.88.C7-->11.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 00 00 13 CF 13 00

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 00.00.13 CF 13 00 06          LTOFFRR(00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 D7 9B 3] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  34 D7 9B 3]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [3B 89 E1 8] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  3B 89 E1 8]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 D9 2D 3] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  34 D9 2D 3]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 C7 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [36 88 5E 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [  36 88 5E 1]      DON   1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D-CMP 001A] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D-CMP 0016] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 C7 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 38.FF.8F 41 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 36.88.5E-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
elvisimprsntr Advanced

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I would look for:

1. Power glitch. Is your ISY on a UPS?

2. What programmed events are you using to trigger opening the door. Post your programs.

3. Did you reboot any devices which write to ISY variables? For example updating iOS devices.

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LeeG Advanced

LeeG

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What is 36.88.5E?

What turns On I/O Linc Relay?  Nothing in event trace shows I/O Linc Relay activity.  If the I/O Linc Relay moved the door it happened earlier in trace.

 

Could be an RF remote signal from a garage door remote.   Need more of earlier trace.   

rleidy Newbie

rleidy

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36.88.5E is a motion sensor, and it is a controller for a hall light.  That hall light is the load on a KPL.  On that KPL, one of the non-load buttons controls the iolinc for the garage door opener via a program.  That program is:

Open Garage Door - [ID 001F][Parent 001E]

If
        Control 'Back Hall KPL.1 / Back Hall KPL.A' is switched On
     Or Control 'Entryway KPL.1 / Entryway KPL.A' is switched On
     Or Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen KPL.1 / Kitchen KPL.H' is switched On
 
Then
        Set 'Garage / Opener-Relay' On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Originally, I was using a scene that consisted of the iolinc as a responder and the 3 KPL buttons as controllers.  When I started experiencing the phantom opening, I deleted the scene and created the equivalent program to see if the problem persisted, which it did.  The iolinc relay is not a member of any other scene or program.

 

 

The buttons on each of the KPLs are set to non-toggle ON and their LED state is controlled by this program:

Garage Door Status - [ID 0013][Parent 0012]

If
        Status  'Garage / Opener-Sensor' is On
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Garage / Scene - KPL Garage Door' Off
 
Else
        Set Scene 'Garage / Scene - KPL Garage Door' On

The scene 'Garage / Scene - KPL Garage Door' is just the 3 buttons on the KPLs all being responders.  

 

 

Here is a full 30 seconds of events before the garage door opened.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 CB 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [36 88 5E 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [  36 88 5E 1]      DON   1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [D2D-CMP 001A] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [D2D-CMP 0016] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 CB 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 38.FF.8F 41 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 36.88.5E-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:02 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:03 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 CB 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [36 88 5E 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [  36 88 5E 1]      DON   1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [D2D-CMP 001A] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:14 PM : [D2D-CMP 0016] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 CB 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 38.FF.8F 46 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 36.88.5E-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:15 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:16 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 C7 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:17 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 00.00.01 CF 11 00    LTONRR (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Group   ] 34.88.C7-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 88 C7 1] [DON] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [  34 88 C7 1]      DON   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 88 C7 1] [ST] [255] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [  34 88 C7 1]       ST 255

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 0020] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 0013] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 000D] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [D2D-CMP 000A] STS [34 88 C7 1] ST op=1 Event(val=255 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> false

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 38.FF.8F 45 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 34.88.C7-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 34.88.C7 11.01.01 CF 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [Std-Group   ] 34.88.C7-->11.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:19 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 00 00 13 CF 13 00

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 00.00.13 CF 13 00 06          LTOFFRR(00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 D7 9B 3] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  34 D7 9B 3]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [3B 89 E1 8] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  3B 89 E1 8]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [34 D9 2D 3] [ST] [0] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:20 PM : [  34 D9 2D 3]       ST   0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 C7 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [36 88 5E 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [  36 88 5E 1]      DON   1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D-CMP 001A] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [D2D-CMP 0016] CTL [36 88 5E 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 00.00.01 C7 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:28 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 38.FF.8F 41 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Cleanup ] 36.88.5E-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 36.88.5E 11.02.01 CB 06 00           (00)

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [Std-Group   ] 36.88.5E-->11.02.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

Tue 12/08/2015 06:31:29 PM : [INST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
LeeG Advanced

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Thanks for the additional trace data.   The I/O Linc Relay is not in the event trace.

 

Since the I/O Linc Relay was a Responder at some point I would check the I/O Linc link table for a half link.  Right click on I/O Linc Sensor, click Diagnostics | Show Device Links Table.   Post the Show popup or the .xml file from the Show "Save" button.

 

Could be a wiring problem where the wires between I/O Linc and garage door opener short out.  If the I/O Linc Relay is connected to a multi button garage door opener those connections could be an issue.

 

Also possible an RF remote garage door opener is activating the door movement.

rleidy Newbie

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Thanks for your diagnosis, LeeG.  If the relay had been activated, what event or events should I see in the log?

 

I decided that I wanted to have the sensor still attached but have the relay disconnected.  When I went to unscrew the N/O and COM wires, I found that the COM wire was loose and partially out of the connector.  It wasn't close to the N/O wire, so I don't think that they were making contact with each other and causing the opener to activate (but that would explain the behavior I'm seeing if they did).  And I can't see that a loose COM could cause the iolinc to misbehave.  But, it shouldn't have been loose, so I went ahead and tightened it down and left the relay connected.  I'll keep it connected until I get another phantom open.  

 

I hope it's not a neighbor's garage remote activating mine - I know that's a long shot, but this weekend I'll recode the transmitters.

 

I've attached the saved device links table for the iolinc in case that's helpful.  I also did a compare with the PLM table, and the were identical.  The last 4 rows were identical/ignore.  (What's that mean?)

 

Thanks for the help.

 

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LeeG Advanced

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Here is the event trace for a Program issuing a  "Set 'Garage / Opener-Relay' On".  The Blue 0x02 indicates Relay

 

Wed 12/09/2015 07:38:12 PM : [iNST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 1C FD D5 0F 11 02
Wed 12/09/2015 07:38:12 PM : [iNST-ACK    ] 02 62 1C.FD.D5 0F 11 02 06          LTONRR (02)
Wed 12/09/2015 07:38:12 PM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 1C.FD.D5 22.80.0B 2B 11 02    LTONRR (02)
Wed 12/09/2015 07:38:12 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 1C.FD.D5-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
 
I'll go through the other data and post conclusions.
 
The Identical/ignored link records are three link records that have been deleted (start with 0x22) and the End of List entry (starts with 0x00).  The link records are fine.
Edited by LeeG
rleidy Newbie

rleidy

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There are also some zwave controllers that would work more securely.

 

I just ordered the Z-Wave daughterboard from UD today.  Do you have any recommendations for a Z-Wave garage door controller with door status?  Then I could re-purpose the iolinc for something else.  Any thoughts on the GoControl/Linear GD00Z-4?

MWareman Advanced

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I don't really have any recommendation, because I have mine wired to my Elk system for control and monitoring. Looks like that one should work for you though.

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MWoods329 Experienced

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I just ordered the Z-Wave daughterboard from UD today. Do you have any recommendations for a Z-Wave garage door controller with door status? Then I could re-purpose the iolinc for something else. Any thoughts on the GoControl/Linear GD00Z-4?

Did you ever figure out what was causing the garage door to spontaneously open?

 

I just started experiencing that as soon as I started using an IO linc for my garage door. Well, actually I just started experiencing the "All On" event which opened my garage door. Never had an All On before installing an IO Linc.

I also had readings in my logs regarding motion sensor devices at the same time - despite none of them ever being near or associated to the IO Linc.

 

If you didn't ever get it resolved, did you try the GoControl?

I'm considering that but wasn't sure if it worked on the 4.x branch of firmware.

 

 

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larryllix Advanced

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Did you ever figure out what was causing the garage door to spontaneously open?

 

I just started experiencing that as soon as I started using an IO linc for my garage door. Well, actually I just started experiencing the "All On" event which opened my garage door. Never had an All On before installing an IO Linc.

I also had readings in my logs regarding motion sensor devices at the same time - despite none of them ever being near or associated to the IO Linc.

 

If you didn't ever get it resolved, did you try the GoControl?

I'm considering that but wasn't sure if it worked on the 4.x branch of firmware.

 

 

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Did  you happen to install a KPL about the same time?

elvisimprsntr Advanced

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Precisely why I don't use an IOLinc for garage door. Nor for security or safety functions. Also Insteon is not a secure protocol. Insteon protocol has already been comprised by a number of different white-hat hackers.

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rleidy Newbie

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Did you ever figure out what was causing the garage door to spontaneously open?

 

I just started experiencing that as soon as I started using an IO linc for my garage door. Well, actually I just started experiencing the "All On" event which opened my garage door. Never had an All On before installing an IO Linc.

I also had readings in my logs regarding motion sensor devices at the same time - despite none of them ever being near or associated to the IO Linc.

 

If you didn't ever get it resolved, did you try the GoControl?

I'm considering that but wasn't sure if it worked on the 4.x branch of firmware.

 

 

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I never experienced an ALL ON for all devices, but I did find my garage door opening unexpectedly.  I did switch to the GoControl Z-wave controller and have not had any problem since.

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Do you have an RF remote? If so, is it one of the old Multi-Elmac remotes (or compatible?) And, if so, are you in an area with military installations?

 

It's been a while since I've seen reports on the local news (San Diego) about "garage doors opening spontaneously all over town". I suppose because newer remotes are of a type that's not susceptible to the (alleged) interference that causes them to open spontaneously.

 

I find the theory a stretch, as you'd need to have pulses that just happen to correspond to your code, and with the right timing. But it's on the record.

 

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-remotes-for-garage-doors-car-locks-on-the-fritz-2010apr03-story.html

 

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-navy-radio-might-be-crippling-conn-garage-doors-2012jul23-story.html

 

    http://www.sddt.com/News/article.cfm?SourceCode=200412061a#.WJKU4UUrK-Y

 

USUALLY it has been limited to non-operating remotes. But there also have been reports over the years of spontaneous openings.

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I've had a car remote stop working randomly one morning. The next day I read in the news that earth was hit with solar flares during the time I had trouble.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2014/06/solar-flares-disrupt-communications-on-earth-could-send-shockwave-on-friday-the-13th/

 

I suppose a solar flare could cause all sorts of havoc, including cause a garage door opener in a parked car to send its code.

 

I personally do not have random all on events, but then I've gone to great lengths to keep power line polluting wall transformers on a surge protector or at least a power strip with 5 ft cord. I also only have a couple dual band powerline/RF devices. I try to avoid them if I can.

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Yes, solar flares can wreak havoc, even cause only one individual device in an entire state or an entire city to misbehave. But the article you referred to is about solar flares that occurred more than 2 1/2 years ago.

 

No particular device is impervious to the mischief that a solar flare can cause, but the possibility is even less than being hit by lightening.

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The point being is the trend in HA and home security is toward wireless communication to make it easier to install for both the consumer and professional. Most operate in unlicensed frequency bands which provides no guaranteed operation and can be susceptible to interference from any number of sources (other unlicensed devices, microwaves, solar radiation, etc.) Especially in a densely populated urban setting with potentially hundreds of unlicensed spectrum devices nearby.

 

That is why I prefer wired (security system, communication, etc) option if it's available. Not that wired doesn't have it own problems, but those are usually easily solvable (filters, grounding, shielding, etc.)

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Yes, solar flares can wreak havoc, even cause only one individual device in an entire state or an entire city to misbehave. But the article you referred to is about solar flares that occurred more than 2 1/2 years ago.

 

No particular device is impervious to the mischief that a solar flare can cause, but the possibility is even less than being hit by lightening.

 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

 

Luckily, we haven't had anything to match the Carrington Event since. (Well, we have, but fortunately aimed away from Earth). I think it would be devastating to modern-day electronics.

 

 

 

Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed, in some cases giving telegraph operators electric shocks.[13] Telegraph pylons threw sparks.[14] Some telegraph operators could continue to send and receive messages despite having disconnected their power supplies.[15]

 

 

On July 23, 2012 a "Carrington-class" Solar Superstorm (Solar flare, Coronal mass ejection, Solar EMP) was observed; its trajectory missed Earth in orbit.

 

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