Question about Smoke detectors

[Blackbird]

Is this the only smoke detector available for elk wireless?

 

ELK-6050 Smoke Detector

[shannong]

Correct. Unless you have one of the other Elk wireless transceivers that support Honeywell/Ademco or GE sensors. I have an Elk transceiver and Honeywell transceiver so I could support a wider range of sensor options.

 

If I had it to do over again, I'd only purchase the Honeywell transceiver as they have a superior line of sensors. I like the two-way concept but it doesn't retransmit on its own until it's received. It just notes the failure. So not as helpful as I hoped. And I've never had a failed reception with the Honeywell that I'm aware of.

[Blackbird]

I currently have the Simon GE 3 and the smoke detector looks identical.  Would this work if I had the ge transceiver?

[shannong]

I couldn't say for sure. However, Elk has a two-way protocol in an entirely different frequency range than GE-Crystal. So I doubt they are compatible even though physically manufactured by the same company. Elk does also a GE transceiver for the M1.

[Blackbird]

So with the ge transceiver it should work?

[shannong]

I think GE has used more than one wireless technology in its time. If the frequencies match, the it probably will. I suggest looking up the model # up on the internet to verify it's the same frequency and compliant with "Crystal".

[Blackbird]

So what other options are there? If wired, what brands or model will work?

[Scottmichaelj]

So what other options are there? If wired, what brands or model will work?

I guess I will troll all your posts. I told you CALL ME! Ill answer these questions for you. With Elk you can use most anything. Again broken record but the wireless two way smokes work nice or System Sensors COSMO. You can do the GE wireless but need the module but then you can do a heat detector like the 5809 in the garage.

[Blackbird]

I guess I will troll all your posts. I told you CALL ME! Ill answer these questions for you. With Elk you can use most anything. Again broken record but the wireless two way smokes work nice or System Sensors COSMO. You can do the GE wireless but need the module but then you can do a heat detector like the 5809 in the garage.

Are you stalking me? Lol. I appreciate your help but I wasn't about to call long distance when I can post here for free. But thank you for the offer and advice.

[Scottmichaelj]

Are you stalking me? Lol. I appreciate your help but I wasn't about to call long distance when I can post here for free. But thank you for the offer and advice.

Uhm who pays long distance anymore? Skype. Google Hangouts. Voip. Your kidding me? Even ATT wireless calls are now included to Canada for free. Oh wait you suckers are on Rogers eh!

[Blackbird]

Uhm who pays long distance anymore? Skype. Google Hangouts. Voip. Your kidding me? Even ATT wireless calls are now included to Canada for free. Oh wait you suckers are on Rogers eh!

No I'm not kidding you

[Scottmichaelj]

No I'm not kidding you

Your probably better off going to Cocoon Tech forum for more in depth home security questions. The ISY Elk is just for the plugin. Just sp happens there are dealers like me and lots of users who use it here.

 

I suggest checking out the other forum.

[Blackbird]

Your probably better off going to Cocoon Tech forum for more in depth home security questions. The ISY Elk is just for the plugin. Just sp happens there are dealers like me and lots of users who use it here.

I suggest checking out the other forum.

The guys here are pretty helpful but doesn't hurt to check it out. Thanks

[Blackbird]

I couldn't say for sure. However, Elk has a two-way protocol in an entirely different frequency range than GE-Crystal. So I doubt they are compatible even though physically manufactured by the same company. Elk does also a GE transceiver for the M1.

This is the model of ge smoke I have

http://www.terapeak.com/worth/ge-security-supervised-wireless-smoke-detector-60-848-02-95-nx-491nt/321832339668/

[Scottmichaelj]

This is the model of ge smoke I have

http://www.terapeak.com/worth/ge-security-supervised-wireless-smoke-detector-60-848-02-95-nx-491nt/321832339668/

If you want to keep them just get the GE receiver and then like I said you can put a heat detector in the garage later, outdoor motions and sensors.

 

Edit: Just remember you don't have to do a perfect setup at the start. Grab a kit and then just add your sensors. Down the road you can add anything, its easy to do.

[Blackbird]

I take it the ge transceiver should also work with my existing ge motion sensor?

[Scottmichaelj]

I take it the ge transceiver should also work with my existing ge motion sensor?

Pretty sure but I would double check. It works with most 319.5MHz wireless devices.

[Blackbird]

I was looking at these two smoke detectors and understand I would need the GE receiver transmitter but wondered what the practical difference is between these two?  The first one is $89..99 and the second is $69.99.  Wondered if the first one was worth the extra $20.  I noticed the "1hour supervisory" on the first one and assume it means that the panel checks it every hour.  Doesn't look like the second one does this.

 

 

 

Product Information

The TX-6010-01-1 is a GE wireless photoelectric smoke detector, with built in fixed temperature and rate-of-rise (ROR) heat detector for triple protection against smoke and fire threats.

 

This detector features replaceable optical chamber, low battery annunciation, long life lithium battery power, low battery alert to central station.  Automatic drift compensation adjusts the unit over time to compensate for dirt build-up.

GE TX-6010-01-1 Crystal Photoelectric Smoke Detector Features:

• Photoelectric smoke detection technology
• Replaceable optical chamber
• Built-in fixed temperature sensor triggers at 135°F ± 5°F (57.2°C ± 2.8°C)
• Rate-of-rise temperature sensor 15°F/minute > 105°F (8.3°C/minute > 40.6°C)
  
• automatic drift compensation to account for dirt built-up
• 319.5 MHZ Crystal transmitter
• Alarm wireless signals for Alarm, restore, tamper, low battery, trouble, 1 hour Supervisory
  
• 3V Lithium battery operated
• Photoelectric detector
• Fixed (57 celcius) and ROR (>8.3c per minute) Heat Detector built in
  
• Built-in sounder
  
• Field replaceable optical chamber
• Low battery prealarm sent to control station
• Colour: White
• Alarm dimensions: 5.6 x 2.4 in. (142 x 61 mm)
• Base dimensions: 5.4 x 0.46 in. (137 x 12 mm)
  
• FCC and cULus approved
•    

OR this one?   Product Information

Interlogix/GE Rate-of-Rise and Fixed Temperature Heat Detectors offer an effective fire safety solution for environments with high likelihood of rapid fire development, or where optical smoke detectors cannot be used due to high dust conditions. These detectors are designed to monitor the room temperature and activate the alarm if the temperature gets too high or increases rapidly.

• UL listed for highest standards of performance and reliability
• Wireless design communicates with all learn-mode panels
• Ideal for environments with high dust or likelihood of rapid fire development
• 15°F (9°C)/min rate-of-rise rating
• 13°F/194°F UL temp. rating
• 100°F/150°F UL max. ambient ceiling temp. rating
• Provides detection for up to 2500 sq. ft.
• Easy installation

 

 

[Teken]

That would solely depend on the environment and use case you intend to install them in. Are you expecting to see a high amount of particulates in the protected zone? Are you looking for a absolutely rock solid false proof detector?

 

What fire condition are you trying to capture taking into consideration many if not all home owners don't even realize they should have both types of sensors to detect slow smoldering vs fast high flash over fires which offer next to no smoke.

 

You will need to sit down and consider the area, condition, and application in which you see your home and environment being affected.

[Blackbird]

That would solely depend on the environment and use case you intend to install them in. Are you expecting to see a high amount of particulates in the protected zone? Are you looking for a absolutely rock solid false proof detector?

 

What fire condition are you trying to capture taking into consideration many if not all home owners don't even realize they should have both types of sensors to detect slow smoldering vs fast high flash over fires which offer next to no smoke.

 

You will need to sit down and consider the area, condition, and application in which you see your home and environment being affected.

Just putting it in a dining room next to the kitchen.  Is the first one obviously better that has the features you describe?

[Teken]

Just putting it in a dining room next to the kitchen.  Is the first one obviously better that has the features you describe?

 

Normally smoke detectors are not placed near the kitchen / bathrooms as the photo electric sensor will obviously detect typical moisture and cooking fumes. The second unit would be more practical and recommended in this use case next to the kitchen. As an aside I am very happy to see you're taking your time to do some research and ask questions.

 

Because this is pretty much a one time investment so you might as well get it right the first time. 

[Blackbird]

Yea I'm just glad to have a good group of people here, like yourself, that are so helpful otherwise I'm not sure I would take on the ELK.  The second one doesn't appear to have the 1 hour supervisory, does that matter?  Also my current GE wireless smoke for my Simon 3 system is in the same place I want to put the new one.  I have never had a placement issue or false alarms (maybe 1 or 2 with excessive cooking smoke) with my current detector in its current location.

[Teken]

Yea I'm just glad to have a good group of people here, like yourself, that are so helpful otherwise I'm not sure I would take on the ELK.  The second one doesn't appear to have the 1 hour supervisory, does that matter?  Also my current GE wireless smoke for my Simon 3 system is in the same place I want to put the new one.  I have never had a placement issue or false alarms (maybe 1 or 2 with excessive cooking smoke) with my current detector in its current location.

 

How about we step back a little so everyone is on the same page, OK?

 

1. Is this home a bungalow vs two story home?

2. Is there a basement?

3. How many detectors are in place now specifically hardwired units?

4. How many wireless units do you have in place now and where are they?

5. Do you expect to see lots of smoke vs fast evolving fire conditions? 

6. Supervisory is excellent because its like a heart beat and tells the panel its still alive and present. Keep in mind this in no way is a measure to determine its working properly. Only monthly fire checks can affirm this hardware is ready to operate.

[Blackbird]

1. Is this home a bungalow vs two story home? Bungalow

2. Is there a basement?Yes

3. How many detectors are in place now specifically hardwired units?No hardwired,

4. How many wireless units do you have in place now and where are they?1 GE wireless upstairs for my alarm, 1 standalone in the laundry room upstairs, 1 standalone in the porch area and 2 standalone in the basement

5. Do you expect to see lots of smoke vs fast evolving fire conditions? I would expect more smoke but I have no idea how to answer that

6. Supervisory is excellent because its like a heart beat and tells the panel its still alive and present. Keep in mind this in no way is a measure to determine its working properly. Only monthly fire checks can affirm this hardware is ready to operate.

I thought the supervisory would be good as that is what I currently have and the alarm company calls if the battery needs replacing

[Teken]

1. Is this home a bungalow vs two story home? Bungalow

2. Is there a basement?Yes

3. How many detectors are in place now specifically hardwired units?No hardwired,

4. How many wireless units do you have in place now and where are they?1 GE wireless upstairs for my alarm, 1 standalone in the laundry room upstairs, 1 standalone in the porch area and 2 standalone in the basement

5. Do you expect to see lots of smoke vs fast evolving fire conditions? I would expect more smoke but I have no idea how to answer that

6. Supervisory is excellent because its like a heart beat and tells the panel its still alive and present. Keep in mind this in no way is a measure to determine its working properly. Only monthly fire checks can affirm this hardware is ready to operate.

I thought the supervisory would be good as that is what I currently have and the alarm company calls if the battery needs replacing

 

Your home was obviously built prior to hardwired smoke detectors were mandatory. I would encourage you to install at the minimum one hard wired sensor in the basement and the other outside of the living quarters.

 

You can certainly use and deploy the wireless units for over lap and extended protection. Using wireless smoke detectors in this instance not only makes sense it offers a true method of fail over. Meaning a wireless device can not be impacted by a electrical surge / sag event.

 

This sort of condition is seen many times a year and I can attest surge / sags can take out a smoke alarm just like any other electronics in your home.