New Devices to old Scenes - ISY not setting to "0"

[johnstewart]

I've got an ISY994i Pro which has been humming along nicely for years.

 

This past week I finally got around to replacing a couple of my old X10 switches, and replacing a couple of old manual dimmers.

 

I managed to get them all added to the ISY, which can control them just fine. I'm running into a problem adding them to my existing scenes. I can add them just fine, but even though I have set their "On Level" in the scene to be 0, when I run that scene, it's firing these up as "on" instead of "off".

 

For example in this screenshot I am showing my "All Off X10 and Insteon" scene... which basically shuts everything off in the house. The new devices are at the bottom:

 

Dining Room Fluorescents - 2466S

Living Room Fluorescents - 2466S

Foyer Lights - Foyer - 2466D

 

As you can see, the levels for each of these is set to "0".

 

However, when I initiate these scene, it turns all three of these ON, not OFF!

 

I'm seeing the same behaviour in other scenes, too, with these new devices.

 

I've tried "Restore Device" to these devices, and to the Keypad Lincs I have sending the scene commands.

 

Am I missing something simple here in the UI?

 

thanks!

Edited December 3, 2016 by johnstewart

[stusviews]

Select the device within the scene to adjust its level. Also select separately any controller (shown in red).

[Techman]

Do the lights turn off when you turn the scene off

 

The togglelinc relays probably respond to an either a scene on or off regardless of what their on level is set in the scene.

[larryllix]

Did you factory reset the ToggleLincs before linking them to ISY?

If not, do a factory reset on one at a time, and then do a restore from ISY.

Try again

[johnstewart]

Did you factory reset the ToggleLincs before linking them to ISY?

If not, do a factory reset on one at a time, and then do a restore from ISY.

Try again

 

I did this on one of them (note it's not just ToggleLinks... but the Dimmer version too exhibiting this behaviour, if it makes a difference). It seemed like after the factory reset on it, in the ISY I had to "Write Updates to Device" before "Restore Device" actually seemed to do anything. But I reset it, and re-added... and same behaviour.

 

 

Do the lights turn off when you turn the scene off

 

The togglelinc relays probably respond to an either a scene on or off regardless of what their on level is set in the scene.

 

Yes! I hadn't tried this yet from the ISY interface itself.

 

When I select the All Off scene on the left, and on the bottom right, click On, the lights do as expected (they turn OFF). Likewise all goes off when I click Off, too.

 

So this leads me to believe the ISY is programmed right, but the controller button(s) on the Keypad Lincs are somehow not connected right.

 

 

Select the device within the scene to adjust its level. Also select separately any controller (shown in red).

 

OK, now on this point I'm still confused.

 

On the left side, when I open a scene, then select the device underneath, all I get on the right is what appears to be a status page for the device itself... I can click on/fast on/off, etc... but this doesn't *seem* to affect the programmed level for the scene. I don't see any other way to "select the device within the scene".

 

What I have been doing to select a level for a scene is:

 

1 - Select the scene on the left side.

2 - On the right bottom, scroll to the device in the list, and select the On level and Ramp rate.

 

I *think* this is right?

 

 

So I *think* I have solved it.

 

I selected the controllers (the KPLs), then clicked the "Copy Scene Attributes" button. THIS seems, upon initial testing, to have properly pushed out the scene attributes to the KPLs themselves.

 

thanks all!

[larryllix]

I did this on one of them (note it's not just ToggleLinks... but the Dimmer version too exhibiting this behaviour, if it makes a difference). It seemed like after the factory reset on it, in the ISY I had to "Write Updates to Device" before "Restore Device" actually seemed to do anything. But I reset it, and re-added... and same behaviour.

 

 

 

 

Yes! I hadn't tried this yet from the ISY interface itself.

 

When I select the All Off scene on the left, and on the bottom right, click On, the lights do as expected (they turn OFF). Likewise all goes off when I click Off, to

 

So this leads me to believe the ISY is programmed right, but the controller button(s) on the Keypad Lincs are somehow not connected right.

 

 

 

 

OK, now on this point I'm still confused.

 

On the left side, when I open a scene, then select the device underneath, all I get on the right is what appears to be a status page for the device itself... I can click on/fast on/off, etc... but this doesn't *seem* to affect the programmed level for the scene. I don't see any other way to "select the device within the scene".

 

What I have been doing to select a level for a scene is:

 

1 - Select the scene on the left side.

2 - On the right bottom, scroll to the device in the list, and select the On level and Ramp rate.

 

I *think* this is right?

 

 

So I *think* I have solved it.

 

I selected the controllers (the KPLs), then clicked the "Copy Scene Attributes" button. THIS seems, upon initial testing, to have properly pushed out the scene attributes to the KPLs themselves.

 

thanks all!

IIRC I ran into the same thing with my an the Copy Scene Attributes solved my problems also. I never did figure out what it did, or what is is supposed to do.

 

Good on ya' Mate!

 

BTW: The devices under the scene listing, in the device tree, do NOT operate the scene values. The scene values are adjusted inside the scene page. This is a very common mistake for newbies. I don't know why they are still shown in multiple copies of the device page, in every scene, to confuse ISY users.

Edited December 3, 2016 by larryllix