Weird Insteon Scene Issue.

[MrBill]

I have 4 Scene's to control my front Lights. I believe the scenes are set up correctly because when they are controlled via the ISY everything works EXACTLY CORRECTLY.

 

The scenes are, OFF, Early Evening, Late Night and Bright.  For a better visual:

 

 

That's 5 load switching responders to the scene (the # at the end of the description is a note to me that says this device actually switches the load)  and 4 Keypad link Buttons on the same 8-button controller at the front door.  ( {hide} is for MobiLinc hiding.)

 

These programs control the scenes CORRECTLY:

 

OUT LIghts Sunrise/Sunset - [iD 0004][Parent 0001]

If
        From    Sunset
        To      Sunrise (next day)
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Front Lights - Evening' On
 
Else
        Set Scene 'Front Lights - Off' On
 

OUT lights Sunset to 10 - [iD 0016][Parent 0001]

If
        Time is 10:00:00PM
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Front Lights - Late Night' On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Additionally,  these scene's work exactly correctly via the admin console or mobilinc. 

 

The lights behind the 4 buttons used correctly follow the state of the scene.

 

What doesn't work?

 

Pressing one of the buttons at the Front door.  All 4 Buttons toggle ON / OFF all devices and buttons. 

 

That is,

I press E and buttons EFGH all light up and all 5 Loads turn on 100%

I press F and buttons EFGH all light up and all 5 Loads turn on 100%

I press G and buttons EFGH all light up and all 5 Loads turn on 100%

I press H and buttons EFGH all light up and all 5 Loads turn on 100%

Conversely pressing any button while the buttons are lit up, sends an off. 

 

Basically, all works correctly except my manual scene control at the front door where 4 buttons all act as Bright Scene ON/OFF.

 

What I already tried:

Factory Reset, followed by Restore Device from the admin panel.  No change.

 

The Device sticker says:

Model 2334-222 Rev 7.0 3516

 

Not sure what other info to include, but try to respond to questions quickly.

[oberkc]

My best guess is that responder levels are not correct for each of the KPL buttons.

 

As a refresher, insteon devices can respond differently in response to different controller devices within a given scene.  If your scene responds properly to control from the admin console or via program (basically, PLM is controller device), but the scene responds differently when activated by a different controller device, compare ON levels for each responder to the scene level versus the KPL button. 

 

To do this, select the scene and take note of the responder levels in the main window.  Now select another controller device (such as the KPL button) and compare responder levels.  Pay special attention in each scene to the responder levels of the other three KPL buttons.  Are they zero?  Full on?  Different when the scene is selected versus the controller (red letters) KPL button?

[MrBill]

My best guess is that responder levels are not correct for each of the KPL buttons.

 

As a refresher, insteon devices can respond differently in response to different controller devices within a given scene.  If your scene responds properly to control from the admin console or via program (basically, PLM is controller device), but the scene responds differently when activated by a different controller device, compare ON levels for each responder to the scene level versus the KPL button. 

 

To do this, select the scene and take note of the responder levels in the main window.  Now select another controller device (such as the KPL button) and compare responder levels.  Pay special attention in each scene to the responder levels of the other three KPL buttons.  Are they zero?  Full on?  Different when the scene is selected versus the controller (red letters) KPL button?

 

FIXED!  THANK YOU!

 

I actually didn't know the scene needed to configured twice, once for the ISY/PLM and once for the controller button.   I incorrectly thought that if the button was the controller (red) for the scene that when the button turned on the scene would be set as programed for when the PLM is the controller.

 

In most of my cases, all devices in scenes are controllers--but I did somehow manage to accidentally make this same scenario work correctly for 4 buttons and 2 fanlinc's that are elsewhere. I guess I just stumbled on to the solution there by accident, not realizing what I did that made it work.

[oberkc]

For each controller device, there is an option to "copy scene attributes" if you want to make responder levels same as that for the scene (PLM) level.  Perhaps this is the accident you found earlier?

[MrBill]

For each controller device, there is an option to "copy scene attributes" if you want to make responder levels same as that for the scene (PLM) level.  Perhaps this is the accident you found earlier?

 

 

I looked back at those fanlinc speed scene's and tried to re-live the moment. 

 

I think the difference was I was creating for primary use of that location via keypad buttons, whereas the primary control for the 4 state outdoor lights was to be timers.   I actually didn't realize at first my buttons didn't work, I was focused on making the timers work and thought I already knew the manual button over rides would work, and was surprised when they didn't.

 

All In all tho, I learned something I didn't know before and now wonder if I need all 4 scenes.  Might have to play with that aspect someday, but for now all works!  Thanks again!