Princerichy Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 I installed two Insteon 74551 Garage Door Control & Status Kits. Neither works. The sensor(s) indicate properly (on when closed, off when open). When I activate the relay from my ISY nothing happens. I have micro switches that control the door that are connected to the Chamberlain door openers with two wires and they both work. I connected the two leads for the i/o controller to the same terminals that the micro switches are connected to. I verified that the leads are properly connected to the i/o linc (NO). All seems proper, but the doors won’t open or close on command. I have searched the forum but could not find an answer.
Teken Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Princerichy said: I installed two Insteon 74551 Garage Door Control & Status Kits. Neither works. The sensor(s) indicate properly (on when closed, off when open). When I activate the relay from my ISY nothing happens. I have micro switches that control the door that are connected to the Chamberlain door openers with two wires and they both work. I connected the two leads for the i/o controller to the same terminals that the micro switches are connected to. I verified that the leads are properly connected to the i/o linc (NO). All seems proper, but the doors won’t open or close on command. I have searched the forum but could not find an answer. Let's keep this simple when you press the black button on the I/O link what happens?
Princerichy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Posted February 25, 2018 White light flashes twice and then the light goes dim. Pressing it a second time, it flashes twice and is then bright again. Door does nothing.
Teken Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Princerichy said: White light flashes twice and then the light goes dim. Pressing it a second time, it flashes twice and is then bright again. Door does nothing. The I/O Linc is not wired correctly to the GDO or your GDO needs a remote hack solution to be tied to the I/O Linc.
Princerichy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Posted February 25, 2018 Thank you but could you be more specific? I not only new but also old!
Teken Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 Just now, Princerichy said: Thank you but could you be more specific? I not only new but also old! LOL ~ My humble apologies my friend. For now lets assume the GDO is wired correctly per the manual. If it is one of the primary reasons it doesn't work is lots of the newer GDO's don't simply send a open / close signal. The information is actually in data packs and can't be seen by tapping into the normal wiring. The remote hack I speak of simply requires you to purchase or use an existing remote control as a middle man. You will simply open up the remote control and determine which circuit board trace activate the GDO. Once known, you will solder a pair of wires to that remote and the other end wires directly to the I/O Linc. That has been the solution for many who have run into such a case where the data is digital vs a analog electrical pulse. Clear as mud???
Princerichy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Posted February 25, 2018 Thank you! That I understand! One thing bothers me. The 2 wire micro switch activated the door just fine. The NO contacts on the I/O linc basically does the same thing as the micro switch, that is, it momentarily closes the contacts just as the micro switch does. I am not arguing with you. Your solution will probably work. Just very curious.
Teken Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Princerichy said: Thank you! That I understand! One thing bothers me. The 2 wire micro switch activated the door just fine. The NO contacts on the I/O linc basically does the same thing as the micro switch, that is, it momentarily closes the contacts just as the micro switch does. I am not arguing with you. Your solution will probably work. Just very curious. Since the Insteon Micro switches operate the door fine it could be as simple as incorrect wiring, to timing. You can adjust the timing of the I/O Linc in the Admin Console (AC). You may find the value may hover around 0.1 ~ 0.7 seconds etc. This assumes the wiring is correct so try the timing first ~ Its free and doesn't require a whole lot of time to test!
Princerichy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Posted February 25, 2018 Many thanks! I have a spare p[emmer for each door so I can go that route. First I will insure that the wiring is solid. Then I will adjust the time down from the 2 second default. Again, thank you for your help and patience!
stusviews Posted February 26, 2018 Posted February 26, 2018 Jumper the two wires on the Chamberlain controller. Does that control the garage door? Which specific micro switches are you using?
Eddie81904 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 Hello All I am also having a issue when I try to add both of my Garage doors ISY tells me failed to add device but I know both work fine since I had both config and working correct on my Inteon hub just fine
shovelhead Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Within topic and may help others. I had trouble with garage doors and maybe my solution will work for others. I also had issues with adding my Garage Door I/Os when migrating from Insteon Hub to ISY. As for not being able to add/migrate the I/Os from Insteon to Hub. Everything worked fine on hub. I had no communication issues on original install or there after. I was adding devices to my new ISY in a room directly next to the garage and had considerable issues getting them to link. I got various errors from the ISY and bounced through the forum looking for answers. I didn't believe it could be a distance or signal issue, but was tired of fumbling with them. I unplugged them from the garage and sat them next to the PLM in my office. They both immediately paired. I took them back to the garage and plugged them in without issue. They worked totally fine. I don't know why they were too far away to sync but plenty close to receive commands. Now, to the lift motor not responding to the I/O I moved into a brand new house with dual garage doors (split garage). The house came with LiftMaster openers. Nice units and I wanted to add them to my new Insteon hobby. I purchased some I/O Garage kits and wired them all up. Nothing worked. I got sensor activity but the I/O would not trigger the lift motor. After some investigation I found that the new LiftMaster units used a specific signaling and it could not be triggered with a simple open/close relay. Even hold timers would not help. I was very annoyed, but I found a solution that worked for me. In my case, each garage door lift came with a set of remotes. So, I had 4 remotes and only needed 2 to put in my vehicles. I repurposed the other remotes as I/O relay switches. Simply, I popped open the remotes and soldered a JST Connector that bridged the actuator button on remote. Then put another JST in the relay side of the I/O. I sticky taped the remote to the face of the I/O so it is all one bundle. Now, the I/O triggers the garage remote with the "proprietary" signaling to the LiftMaster. I am sure there are plenty of other solutions, but this one fit my need and required no out-of-pocket.
rccoleman Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Within topic and may help others. I had trouble with garage doors and maybe my solution will work for others. I also had issues with adding my Garage Door I/Os when migrating from Insteon Hub to ISY. As for not being able to add/migrate the I/Os from Insteon to Hub. Everything worked fine on hub. I had no communication issues on original install or there after. I was adding devices to my new ISY in a room directly next to the garage and had considerable issues getting them to link. I got various errors from the ISY and bounced through the forum looking for answers. I didn't believe it could be a distance or signal issue, but was tired of fumbling with them. I unplugged them from the garage and sat them next to the PLM in my office. They both immediately paired. I took them back to the garage and plugged them in without issue. They worked totally fine. I don't know why they were too far away to sync but plenty close to receive commands. Now, to the lift motor not responding to the I/O I moved into a brand new house with dual garage doors (split garage). The house came with LiftMaster openers. Nice units and I wanted to add them to my new Insteon hobby. I purchased some I/O Garage kits and wired them all up. Nothing worked. I got sensor activity but the I/O would not trigger the lift motor. After some investigation I found that the new LiftMaster units used a specific signaling and it could not be triggered with a simple open/close relay. Even hold timers would not help. I was very annoyed, but I found a solution that worked for me. In my case, each garage door lift came with a set of remotes. So, I had 4 remotes and only needed 2 to put in my vehicles. I repurposed the other remotes as I/O relay switches. Simply, I popped open the remotes and soldered a JST Connector that bridged the actuator button on remote. Then put another JST in the relay side of the I/O. I sticky taped the remote to the face of the I/O so it is all one bundle. Now, the I/O triggers the garage remote with the "proprietary" signaling to the LiftMaster. I am sure there are plenty of other solutions, but this one fit my need and required no out-of-pocket. I did the same thing, but migrated to a ZWave relay for better security and did a much more amateurish installation . It's certainly the most compatible thing to do, and long as you have basic soldering skills.
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