Ishmael Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 After being tired of random issues, a few device failures, and few new product offerings, I finally decided to ditch my Insteon gear and switch to Z-Wave. I have seen the following question asked a few times in these forums, but never answered completely for these switches. As I understand things, the GE Z-Wave Plus switches support double tap (at least the 2016 and later ones). I'll concentrate on the 14294 Smart Dimmer. According to its product association capabilities at https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2105/assoc?noFilename=True it supports double tap on and off in group 3. I am running the 5.0.13D beta so that box is checked. I included the node details reported by my ISY-994iZW which says group 3 is associated to the ISY. I've read how the HS switches create scenes that then relate to the ability to detect double tap. I've tried to query the GE node to see if that would create the extra scenes. Restarted the ISY. Re-ran Z-Wave > Tools > Synchronize Nodes > All. Excluded and reincluded the switch. Nothing seems to make extra scenes show up or extra control options beyond on and off. I tried running a test starting with the switch in the off state where I did a double tap on, double tap off, single tap on. The event viewer recorded the device communication events: Double tap on [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Double tap off [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Single tap on [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 [ZWAVE-TX ZW008_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x08 [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x09 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW008_1] [DON] [100] uom=51 prec=0 [ ZW008_1] DON 100 (uom=51 prec=0) [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x63 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW008_1] [ST] [100] uom=51 prec=0 [ ZW008_1] ST 100 (uom=51 prec=0) [ZWAVE-TX ZW008_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x08 [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x63 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Both double tap on and off events appear to be coming in. They just don't seem to go anywhere I can see them. Is there some simple step I am missing to be able to do something to have it realized where I can use it as a control condition? Is there any other data I can provide that would help? Finally, here the full details for the switch in question. TPW 170845 (uom=33 prec=3) Kitchen Light ZW008_1 uid=8 type=4.17.1 mid=99 tid=18756 pid=12344 Association Group ID 1 - x5E V2 ZWAVEPLUS_INFO - x56 V1 CRC_16_ENCAP - x86 V2 VERSION - x72 V2 MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC - x5A V1 DEVICE_RESET_LOCALLY - x85 V2 ASSOCIATION - x59 V1 ASSOCIATION_GROUP_INFO - x73 V1 POWERLEVEL - x26 V2 SWITCH_MULTILEVEL - x27 V1 SWITCH_ALL - x70 V1 CONFIGURATION - x2C V1 SCENE_ACTUATOR_CONF - x2B V1 SCENE_ACTIVATION - x7A V2 FIRMWARE_UPDATE_MD - Secure Node 8 - Kitchen Light has the following neighbors - - Node 1 - [This ISY] - *** Repeater entries removed Node 8 - Kitchen Light has 3 association groups Associations for group 001 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light Max Associations = 5 - Node 1 - [This ISY] Associations for group 002 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light Max Associations = 5 - Node 1 - [This ISY] Associations for group 003 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light Max Associations = 5 - Node 1 - [This ISY]
Chris Jahn Posted September 27, 2018 Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 2:01 PM, Ishmael said: Double tap on [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Double tap off [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Single tap on [ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08 Hi Ishmael, We don't have that device, but here are a couple of observations 1) It will likely never be possible for the ISY itself to determine the difference between a double vs single tap for this device, because the only message it sends is a BASIC SET, and unfortunately it doesn't report the group used to send it. Therefore using double tap in program conditions or non-native scene links will likely never be available. We can tell the difference between on/off based on the value sent (either 0x00 - Off, 0xFF - On) 2) In future, scenes using native links should work for double tap (i.e. associating your switch directly with other Z-Wave devices). Double tap and single tap should be able to control different sets of devices and/or use different link settings. For now though, I believe only single tap will work with Z-Wave scenes.
Ishmael Posted September 28, 2018 Author Posted September 28, 2018 Chris, Thank you for confirming those details. That's what I needed to know. Ishmael
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