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GE Z-Wave Plus, 5.0.13D and double tap


Ishmael

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After being tired of random issues, a few device failures, and few new product offerings, I finally decided to ditch my Insteon gear and switch to Z-Wave.  I have seen the following question asked a few times in these forums, but never answered completely for these switches.

As I understand things, the GE Z-Wave Plus switches support double tap (at least the 2016 and later ones).  I'll concentrate on the 14294 Smart Dimmer.  According to its product association capabilities at https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/2105/assoc?noFilename=True  it supports double tap on and off in group 3.  I am running the 5.0.13D beta so that box is checked.  I included the node details reported by my ISY-994iZW which says group 3 is associated to the ISY.

I've read how the HS switches create scenes that then relate to the ability to detect double tap.  I've tried to query the GE node to see if that would create the extra scenes. Restarted the ISY. Re-ran Z-Wave > Tools > Synchronize Nodes > All.  Excluded and reincluded the switch. Nothing seems to make extra scenes show up or extra control options beyond on and off.

I tried running a test starting with the switch in the off state where I did a double tap on, double tap off, single tap on.  The event viewer recorded the device communication events:

Double tap on
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Double tap off
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Single tap on
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08
[ZWAVE-TX ZW008_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x08
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x09 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08
[D2D EVENT   ] Event [ZW008_1] [DON] [100] uom=51 prec=0
[     ZW008_1]      DON 100 (uom=51 prec=0)
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x63 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08
[D2D EVENT   ] Event [ZW008_1] [ST] [100] uom=51 prec=0
[     ZW008_1]       ST 100 (uom=51 prec=0)
[ZWAVE-TX ZW008_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x08
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x63 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Both double tap on and off events appear to be coming in.  They just don't seem to go anywhere I can see them.

Is there some simple step I am missing to be able to do something to have it realized where I can use it as a control condition?  Is there any other data I can provide that would help?

Finally, here the full details for the switch in question.

TPW 170845 (uom=33 prec=3)

Kitchen Light
ZW008_1 uid=8 type=4.17.1 mid=99 tid=18756 pid=12344
Association Group ID 1
   -  x5E  V2   ZWAVEPLUS_INFO
   -  x56  V1   CRC_16_ENCAP
   -  x86  V2   VERSION
   -  x72  V2   MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC
   -  x5A  V1   DEVICE_RESET_LOCALLY
   -  x85  V2   ASSOCIATION
   -  x59  V1   ASSOCIATION_GROUP_INFO
   -  x73  V1   POWERLEVEL
   -  x26  V2   SWITCH_MULTILEVEL
   -  x27  V1   SWITCH_ALL
   -  x70  V1   CONFIGURATION
   -  x2C  V1   SCENE_ACTUATOR_CONF
   -  x2B  V1   SCENE_ACTIVATION
   -  x7A  V2   FIRMWARE_UPDATE_MD
- Secure

Node   8 - Kitchen Light has the following neighbors
   -          - Node   1 - [This ISY]
   - *** Repeater entries removed

Node   8 - Kitchen Light has 3 association groups
   Associations for group 001 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light
   Max Associations = 5
      - Node   1 - [This ISY]

   Associations for group 002 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light
   Max Associations = 5
      - Node   1 - [This ISY]

   Associations for group 003 of ZW008_1 Kitchen Light
   Max Associations = 5
      - Node   1 - [This ISY]

 

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On 9/22/2018 at 2:01 PM, Ishmael said:

Double tap on
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Double tap off
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Single tap on
[ZWAVE-RX ZW008_1] [20/01] Basic Set val=0xFF ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x08

Hi Ishmael,

We don't have that device, but here are a couple of observations

1) It will likely never be possible for the ISY itself to determine the difference between a double vs single tap for this device, because the only message it sends is a BASIC SET, and unfortunately it doesn't report the group used to send it.  Therefore using double tap in program conditions or non-native scene links will likely never be available.  We can tell the difference between on/off based on the value sent (either 0x00 - Off,  0xFF - On)

2) In future, scenes using native links should work for double tap (i.e. associating your switch directly with other Z-Wave devices).  Double tap and single tap should be able to control different sets of devices and/or use different link settings. For now though, I believe only single tap will work with Z-Wave scenes.

 

 

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