vbPhil Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Not sure when this started, maybe with a Polisy version update. I'm on 5.5.9 with the zmatter module. All z-wave entities of the sensor type are showing as Unknown. In Polisy some are actual temperature and humidity sensors and a few are switch modules with sensor attributes. Any ideas on where to start troubleshooting? I've rebooted/restarted Polisy and HA and also reloaded the ISY Integration, but nothing has helped.
vbPhil Posted March 27, 2023 Author Posted March 27, 2023 When I go to the HACS page I don't see an ISY item. My ISY integration shows up on the main Integrations page and there's no indication for an upgrade. I don't revision data anywhere.
MrBill Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 the HACS integration is an alpha/beta integration, without it that would mean @vbPhil is using the normal release, whereas @asbril is using an alpha/beta installed via HACS.
asbril Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, MrBill said: the HACS integration is an alpha/beta integration, without it that would mean @vbPhil is using the normal release, whereas @asbril is using an alpha/beta installed via HACS. Understood. I mentioned this because last week my integration stopped working and @shbatm pushed an update. He explained that the UD firmware upgrade required an update from the Integration.
MrBill Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, asbril said: Understood. I mentioned this because last week my integration stopped working and @shbatm pushed an update. He explained that the UD firmware upgrade required an update from the Integration. I was really making sure @vbPhil understood why he didn't have an HACS entry. and that both you need to understand you're not comparing apple to apple since it's not the same software. 1
asbril Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, MrBill said: I was really making sure @vbPhil understood why he didn't have an HACS entry. and that both you need to understand you're not comparing apple to apple since it's not the same software. I understand.
vbPhil Posted March 28, 2023 Author Posted March 28, 2023 I must confess. I can't keep track of all the discrepancies I've encounter with the z-wave zmatter upgrades in Polisy and learning Home Assistant. Eventually I get things figured out with work arounds and then a couple weeks later forget all about it. Anyway, z-wave sensor entities brought over with the ISY Integration have their values as attributes not state as normally expected. So, to use their values around Home Assistant you have to make magic happen in yaml. I knew this but forgot about it.
stevehoyt Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 @vbPhil could you point me to an explanation of the "magic" i don't have any z wave devices but am running into the same issue you mention
vbPhil Posted March 28, 2023 Author Posted March 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, stevehoyt said: @vbPhil could you point me to an explanation of the "magic" i don't have any z wave devices but am running into the same issue you mention The way I'm handling this is to create a sensor manually in the config.yaml configuration file using the template entry. The actual sensor entity name coming over from ISY is sensor.sensor_var_t and the attribute is temperature. The [:-2] filter in the statement is removing the degree F from the attribute value. Same goes for the humidity. So this ends up creating a new sensor called Sensor Popcorn Temperature. I use this in an automation that sends a notification html email to myself. Here's how I refer to that new sensor: popcorn: {{ states('sensor.sensor_popcorn_humidity') }}% Quote template: - sensor: - name: "Sensor Popcorn Temperature" device_class: temperature unit_of_measurement: "°F" state: > {{ state_attr('sensor.sensor_var_t','temperature')[:-2]}} availability: > {{ not 'unavailable' in [ state_attr('sensor.sensor_var_t','temperature') ] }} - name: "Sensor Popcorn Humidity" device_class: humidity unit_of_measurement: "%" state: > {{ state_attr('sensor.sensor_var_h','humidity')[:-1]}} availability: > {{ not 'unavailable' in [ state_attr('sensor.sensor_var_h','humidity') ] }}
brians Posted April 5, 2023 Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) On 3/27/2023 at 10:59 AM, MrBill said: I was really making sure @vbPhil understood why he didn't have an HACS entry. and that both you need to understand you're not comparing apple to apple since it's not the same software. Is this HACS just for beta testing and will the official versions eventually be in the standard HA integrations? I have not had this version stop working for me since I installed in February... maybe because @asbril is using this beta version it broke while the normal release didn't? I am also using a Polisy so maybe was just an issue with EISY. Edited April 5, 2023 by brians
brians Posted April 5, 2023 Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) On 3/28/2023 at 8:49 AM, vbPhil said: The way I'm handling this is to create a sensor manually in the config.yaml configuration file using the template entry. The actual sensor entity name coming over from ISY is sensor.sensor_var_t and the attribute is temperature. The [:-2] filter in the statement is removing the degree F from the attribute value. Same goes for the humidity. So this ends up creating a new sensor called Sensor Popcorn Temperature. I use this in an automation that sends a notification html email to myself. Here's how I refer to that new sensor: popcorn: {{ states('sensor.sensor_popcorn_humidity') }}% I also notice the unknown in a few binary ZWave sensors. Do they change from Unknown to another state when triggered? EDIT: I just noticed that two of my wireless ZWave leak sensors show unknown, but have not triggered (which is a good thing), however a lift pump sensor that runs all the time on a Zen17 currently shows Off... so it is updated when when state is changed from Unknown. When I look in AC and the same Uknown ZWave sensors are blank, so being battery powered devices probably don't get queried correctly. In my case, I don't think this is an issue with Home Assistant but instead because the sensor has no data. Later when home I will trigger a leak sensor and see if changes in HA. Just curious why not move all ZWave to HA? Other than it being a big job, wouldn't it be better to just add a ZWave dongle to HA and then move all the devices over? Unless there is something IoX can do that HA cannot. I am just starting to get into HA and seems a possibility to just treat my Polisy/IoX as an Insteon bridge for the 40 or so Insteon devices that I have, move over some ZWave to test over time, and then attempt to replicate all the programs/logic etc. in HA. Maybe there is something I don't know yet that I will run into that will make me realize this is dumb idea This also puts me at mercy of the HA ISY/IoX integration if anything would happen down the road where support ended for whatever reason and it stopped working. Edited April 5, 2023 by brians
asbril Posted April 5, 2023 Posted April 5, 2023 1 minute ago, brians said: Just curious why not move all ZWave to HA? Other than it being a big job, wouldn't it be better to just add a ZWave dongle to HA and then move all the devices over? Unless there is something IoX can do that HA cannot. I am just starting to get into HA and seems a possibility to just treat my Polisy/IoX as an Insteon bridge for the 40 or so Insteon devices that I have, and then attempt to replicate all the programs/logic etc. in HA. Maybe there is something I don't know yet that I will run into that will make me realize this is dumb idea This also puts me at mercy of the HA ISY/IoX integration if anything would happen down the road where support ended for whatever reason and it stopped working. I find IoX superior to HA as far as programming. Furthermore, other than their forum/Discord, there is no support, so I am not considering moving my Zwave to HA. As long as the integration works, I am very happy with the combination of IoX and HA, getting the best of both. My concern is that apparently the integration largely depends on one person ( @shbatm ) but that is also the case of most Nodeservers.
vbPhil Posted April 5, 2023 Author Posted April 5, 2023 38 minutes ago, brians said: Just curious why not move all ZWave to HA? Other than it being a big job, wouldn't it be better to just add a ZWave dongle to HA and then move all the devices over? Doing just that with z-wave and when my USB PLM arrives, I'm moving Insteon as well. Bye, Bye Polisy I'm going full Home Assistant. 1
brians Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, vbPhil said: Doing just that with z-wave and when my USB PLM arrives, I'm moving Insteon as well. Bye, Bye Polisy I'm going full Home Assistant. How is support for Insteon with HA and PLM? I have a new spare USB PLM and If works good I may consider same... I suppose I could test two separate networks simultaneously, not sure if that would cause interference?. I have a feeling that Insteon support probably better still on IoX and using it as an Insteon bridge with integration may work also, but I wouldn't want to rely on the plugin just in case something happens and development stops for whatever reason and a future IoX upgrade breaks it. What dongle are you using for Z-Wave in HA? I have a couple Zooz and think they should work that I used on Polisy, but if there is something better you have found I would be interested.
brians Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 2 hours ago, asbril said: I find IoX superior to HA as far as programming. Furthermore, other than their forum/Discord, there is no support, so I am not considering moving my Zwave to HA. As long as the integration works, I am very happy with the combination of IoX and HA, getting the best of both. My concern is that apparently the integration largely depends on one person ( @shbatm ) but that is also the case of most Nodeservers. I made a post here about this, would like some examples why it is superior, as not to get this thread too far off topic.
vbPhil Posted April 6, 2023 Author Posted April 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, brians said: How is support for Insteon with HA and PLM? I have a new spare USB PLM and If works good I may consider same... I suppose I could test two separate networks simultaneously, not sure if that would cause interference?. I have a feeling that Insteon support probably better still on IoX and using it as an Insteon bridge with integration may work also, but I wouldn't want to rely on the plugin just in case something happens and development stops for whatever reason and a future IoX upgrade breaks it. What dongle are you using for Z-Wave in HA? I have a couple Zooz and think they should work that I used on Polisy, but if there is something better you have found I would be interested. I haven't tried the Insteon PLM with HA yet; I don't have the PLM until maybe mid-April. The one clue I have about having success is that Insteon markets their products as compatible with Home Assistant and a PLM or Hub but no mention of UDI. I'm using the ZooZ 700 Series USB stick with HA. Same dongle I was using with Polisy until I upgraded to the infamous but ???? ZMatter/Z-Wave module.
TRI0N Posted April 6, 2023 Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) On 3/27/2023 at 10:21 AM, vbPhil said: When I go to the HACS page I don't see an ISY item. My ISY integration shows up on the main Integrations page and there's no indication for an upgrade. I don't revision data anywhere. Upgrades in HA show up when you click Settings. They will appear at the top if there is any. HACS is a 3rd Party Library. Home Assistant Community Store . It's not officially supported add-ons. Probably to avoid losing any partnership they have with vendors. I was thinking about installing HACS for a ASUS Router Tool but, after reading more, HACS has been up and down in recent weeks, so I did not install it. I have a few items that did appear in HA using the BLE Network for Govee Temp/Humidity sensors that broadcast on open BLE. All of them had a Unknown Sensor that was ignored but got Temp, Humidity, and Battery reading just fine. However the Dew Point and VPD are not present. Guess that will be added eventually. I put in a request to add those. As for the Z-Wave devices connected to eisy such as the Zooz ZSE44, that didn't even show up. But I can get that information from eisy directly for my needs. TRI0N Edited April 6, 2023 by TRI0N
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