Garage Kit

[Andre Douyon]

I have the same issue. On Opens and closes my garage doors. Off does nothing.

 

I too want a very simple outcome.

When on is pressed the garage door opens.

When Off is pressed the garage door closes.

If the garage door is open and I press open, nothing happens.

If the garage door is closed and I press close, nothing happens.

 

Can someone from Insteon chime in and let us know if this functionality is supposed to work this way?

 

I spoke to someone at Insteon on the phone, and they said off does not work in this application. Is this true.

 

Thanks

[LeeG]

douyon

 

First you need to make the I/O Linc relay a Responder in a Scene and turn that Scene On and Off to control the I/O Linc relay. All the I/O Linc documentation describes the I/O Linc operation using another Insteon device as a Controller. All Insteon Controllers (not counting HA applications using a PLM) use Group/Scene commands. That is why it is necessary to use a Scene when controlling the I/O Linc relay. Using Insteon Direct commands such as those used by the Admin Console when commanding the Relay Node directly produces different results. When using a Scene it then depends on which Momentary mode the I/O Linc relay has been configured to use.

 

In Momentary A mode only the Scene Off command energizes the relay. If doing manual Set button links I think the I/O Linc relay can be set to react only to On commands or only to Off commands but I have not found a means for making the relay react to anything but only Scene Off commands using links established by the ISY. Reacting to only one command in Momentary A mode is consistent with the I/O Linc documentation.

 

In Momentary B mode both a Scene On and Scene Off command energize the I/O Linc relay. This is consistent with the I/O Linc documentation.

 

In Momentary C mode it depends on the state of the I/O Linc Sensor in combination with the Scene On and Scene Off commands. When the I/O Linc Sensor is Off (Green status LED Off) only the Scene On command energizes the I/O Linc relay. When the I/O Linc Sensor is On (Green status LED On) only the Scene Off command energizes the I/O Linc relay. This is also consistent with I/O Linc documentation.

 

These are the observed results using my I/O Linc. Hope this helps.

 

Lee

[oberkc]

Can someone from Insteon chime in and let us know if this functionality is supposed to work this way?

 

Be advised that most on this forum are Users with no affilitation with Insteon (Smarthome). A few are from Universal devices. As advised by LeeG, I believe that this can be done. However, I question if this what you really want.

 

It sounds as if you are using a keypad to control your garage door. Is this true? If so, do you want your keypad to display status of the garage door?If not, how do you know the status of the door? What if the garage door is stopped mid-way or moving? How do you want the door to respond to commands? If mid-way, this will only respond to one command, depending on how you wire and position your sensor.

 

If your original aspirations ("on" opens when closed, "off" closes when open) then my experience is consistent with LeeG. Create a scene with the relay as responder and your controlling device (whatever insteon device you desire to use to send on and off commands) as controller. Set the relay to momentary "C" mode.

 

Keep in mind, also, that the sensor can be wired such that a garage door closed would give either "on" or "off" status. Additionally, there is no way to distinguish between a door being fully open or partially open.

[LeeG]

douyon

 

The missing piece in my first post was how to get Momentary A mode to react to an On command only. In my first post Momentary A mode responded to Off commands only. When I defined the Scene with the I/O Linc Relay as a responder the Scene was defined with the Relay On level as 0%. Moving the slider to 100% On for the Relay reverses the command the I/O Linc relay responds to in Momentary A mode.

 

Momentary A mode

0% On Level - Off command only

100% On Level - On command only

 

Also changing the Relay On level to 100% reverses how Momentary C mode responds

 

Momentary C mode with 0% On level

Sensor Off - On command energizes relay

Sensor On - Off command energizes relay

 

Momentary C mode with 100% On level

Sensor Off - Off command energizes relay

Sensor On - On command energizes relay

 

With the various combinations of Sensor On/Off and Relay Responder ON Level 0%/100% the I/O Linc Relay will respond with whatever On command/Off command result you want.

 

If you set up a test Scene with a KeypadLinc button as a Controller of the Scene and the I/O Linc Relay as a Responder, keep in mind that there is a Relay On level for the KeypadLinc button as Controller and a separate Relay On level for the ISY as Controller. Setting the I/O Linc Relay to Momentary C mode and the appropriate Relay Responder On level to 0% or 100% you can achieve whatever KeypadLinc button press (On versus Off command) reaction of the I/O Linc Relay you want.

 

Lee

[Andre Douyon]

You all are really kind, and patient answering my questions with such detail. Thank you for that. I am still scratching my head, lol, but I will re-read both of your posts, and setup the test scenes your recommending and play until I understand.

 

Thank you again for your kindness and patience, and support.

[oberkc]

Don't hesitate to post back. Also, check the universal devices wiki. There is an excellent example there. Perform a search on garage, and IOLinc. You will find explanations about many of your questions.

[LeeG]

Douyon

 

Divide and conquer. Define a Scene with the I/O Linc Sensor as a Controller and the KeypadLinc button you want to represent garage door open/close status as a Responder. Open and close the garage door using the existing door control button. Some folks want the KeypadLinc button On when the garage door is closed, some want the KeypadLinc button Off when the garage door is closed. Use the black/green or black/red wires on the magnetic switch, whichever one gives you the desired KeypadLinc button On/Off condition for a garage door closed condition. If you are using Trigger Reverse I suggest turning that option off and use the black/green or black/red wire to give the desired KeypadLinc button LED condition for garage closed. The Query command output from the I/O Linc Sensor is not affected by the Trigger Reverse option. That is documented in another topic. Just means the Admin Console status value when Querying the I/O Linc Sensor can be different than the reported On/Off state using Trigger Reverse. With a magnetic sensor that has both NO and NC contacts build into the one magnetic switch it is easy to achieve the desired On/Off Sensor state without have to use Trigger Reverse.

 

When the above is achieved and the KeypadLinc button LED reliably reflects the door open/close status, move to the KeypadLinc button that will control door open/close operation. Is one keypadLinc button to be used in Toggle mode such that each KPL button press alternates between On and Off commands. Are two KPL buttons planned for door Open/Close operations. One dedicated to Open and one dedicated to Close. In this case one KPL button would be set to non-toggle On mode so that only On commands are issued and the other KPL button would be set to non-toggle Off mode so that only Off commands are issued. Likely Momentary C mode will be used in either case. Using one KPL button in Toggle mode or two KPL buttons is simply a matter of personal choice. Define another Scene that uses the door control KPL button as Controller and the I/O Linc Relay as a Responder. If two KPL buttons are planned for door control two Scenes will be needed. I am assuming Momentary C mode as you indicated On command should only open the door and Off command should only close the door. Momentary C is the only mode that provides specific command reaction/no reaction based on Sensor (door) statis. If the On and Off commands are working opposite to what you want change the responder I/O Linc Relay On level from 0% to 100% to reverse the On/Off command reaction.

 

Lee