Misunderstanding I/OLinc relays?

[tome]

I have an I/OLinc that I want to use to trigger a remote bathroom fan. I have a Countdown KeypadLinc in the bathroom.

 

The IOLinc has a N/C and N/O terminal and a Com. I put my meter across N/O and Com. It is open (no short), as it should be to start with. I push one of the timed countdown buttons (lets say 2 minutes), and I would expect that the N/O would shut. But it doesn't. I then push the Off button on the countdown timer and the IOLinc fires (now N/O is closed). Now when I push timed button it opens again - hmm seems backwards. Ok, I could live with that and just wire my fan across the N/C contact and Com. But let's just say I am picky...

 

So, I go into the settings for the IOLinc-Relay and set Trigger Reverse. I am also in Continuous Latching as I want it to stay latched until the timer expires and sends an Off. Trigger Reverse seems obvious, yes? But it doesn't work. I get the same behavior as above.

 

Ok, I say, I must have a bad IOLinc. So I try another (I bought this setup for two bathrooms), same behavior. What am I missing here?

 

Tom

[oberkc]

I understand that there is also a setting on the IOLinc that sets whether the IOLinc responds only to "on" commands, "off" commands, or both. Perhaps your IOLinc is responding only to one command? (I think there is a setting that also allows a conditional response, based on sensor input, but it does not sound as if you have a sensor.) Perhaps it is here that lies the solution to your setup.

[LeeG]

tome

 

Look at the Responder I/O Linc Relay On Level in the Scene that has the KPL button as a Controller and the I/O Linc Relay as a Responder. The On Level determines whether the Relay turns On or Off with an On command. If I/O Line Relay On Level is now 100% set it to 0%, or if it is now 0% set the On Level to 100%. I don't remember which is which, just swap what you have to reverse the On command action.

 

Whether the Relay stays energized until the Off command or opens after the timeout depends on whether the I/O Relay is in latching mode or one of the momentary modes.

 

Lee

[tome]

tome

 

Look at the Responder I/O Linc Relay On Level in the Scene that has the KPL button as a Controller and the I/O Linc Relay as a Responder. The On Level determines whether the Relay turns On or Off with an On command. If I/O Line Relay On Level is now 100% set it to 0%, or if it is now 0% set the On Level to 100%. I don't remember which is which, just swap what you have to reverse the On command action.

 

Whether the Relay stays energized until the Off command or opens after the timeout depends on whether the I/O Relay is in latching mode or one of the momentary modes.

 

Lee

 

Thanks again Lee. That fixed it!

 

To be specific, I needed to do two things. I had to set the On Level for the I/O Linc Relay to 100% in the scene itself (called MasterBathFanControl in my case), but I ALSO had to select the Countdown KPL within the scene and also set the I/O Linc Relay to 100% there as well. It didn't work if I did one or the other, just both. Also, 100% seems to make it behave has expected (N/O is N/O until an On is sent) and 0% makes it behave backwards (N/O relay is N/C until an On is sent). Seems to me like the ISY should default to the 100% setting, but I am just happy it is working as I would expect.

 

Thanks,

-Tom

[LeeG]

tome

 

In Insteon each Controller has a unique set of Responder On Level and Ramp Rate values. Selecting the KPL button Controller entry under the Scene name presents the On Level in effect when the KPL button is pressed. Selecting the Scene name itself presents the On Level in effect when the Scene is used in a Program or the Scene is controlled through the Admin Console. From an Insteon perspective the PLM is the Controller when the Scene name is used.

 

This allows the Responders to react differently if desired for each Controller. When KPL button B is pressed the responders might turn On to 100%. When KPL button C is pressed the responders might turn On to 50%. The On Level and Ramp Rate values are stored in link records in each responder device. Each Controller has a unique link record in each Responder.

 

Lee

[Hurting2Ride]

So, I go into the settings for the IOLinc-Relay and set Trigger Reverse. I am also in Continuous Latching as I want it to stay latched until the timer expires and sends an Off. Trigger Reverse seems obvious, yes? But it doesn't work. I get the same behavior as above.

 

I believe Trigger Reverse is specific to how the IOLinc reports on the connected sensor, i.e. my sensor to determine if my garage door is open uses this to turn ON a KPL6 key when the sensor circuit is OPEN rather than CLOSED and vice versa. I'm guessing this is what Oberkc was referring to as well.

[tome]

tome

 

In Insteon each Controller has a unique set of Responder On Level and Ramp Rate values. Selecting the KPL button Controller entry under the Scene name presents the On Level in effect when the KPL button is pressed. Selecting the Scene name itself presents the On Level in effect when the Scene is used in a Program or the Scene is controlled through the Admin Console. From an Insteon perspective the PLM is the Controller when the Scene name is used.

 

Lee,

Thanks for this explanation, this makes perfect sense. Interesting, I thought I had tried each one by itself and I couldn't get it to work from my countdown kpl unless I had both set. From your explanation setting it on the kpl alone should have worked for me. Perhaps something else was going on.

Thanks,

Tom

[tome]

So, I go into the settings for the IOLinc-Relay and set Trigger Reverse. I am also in Continuous Latching as I want it to stay latched until the timer expires and sends an Off. Trigger Reverse seems obvious, yes? But it doesn't work. I get the same behavior as above.

 

I believe Trigger Reverse is specific to how the IOLinc reports on the connected sensor, i.e. my sensor to determine if my garage door is open uses this to turn ON a KPL6 key when the sensor circuit is OPEN rather than CLOSED and vice versa. I'm guessing this is what Oberkc was referring to as well.

 

Yes, I think you must be right. I am not using the sensor in this case so Trigger Reverse has no effect (as I found). That's what I get for assuming...

Tom