scenes, devices, and ramp rates help

[binaryman]

so.. help me to understand...

 

I have a scene with a switchlinc and keypadlinc. I'm confused as to what the ramp rate on the switchling, versus the keypadlnc, versus the scene do.... also doesn't seem to be a way to adjust a scene ramp rate with isy, only a device in a scene.. why is this? Help me understand this interaction?

 

Also, what brought up this question... I want to have a program that runs at night, sets the ramp rate for a bedroom light to 6 minutes, dims it to off over this time, then switches the ramp rate back to normal for the next day (light to help my son go to sleep).

 

This is my program and doesn't work, so I'm not understanding something...:

 

If

Time is 9:30:00PM

 

Then

In Scene 'Landon's Room' Set 'Landon's Room' 6.0 Min (Ramp Rate)

Set Scene 'Landon's Room' Off

Wait 6 minutes and 5 seconds

In Scene 'Landon's Room' Set 'Landon's Room' 0.5 Sec (Ramp Rate)

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

[LeeG]

There is no concept of Scene On Level or Scene Ramp Rate. For each separate Controller in a Scene all the Scene Responders can have unique On Level and Ramp Rate values.

 

Scene A definition

Controller SwitchLinc 1 Dimmer

Controller KeypadLinc 1 Dimmer

 

Scene A as Controller (actually ISY PLM is Controller)

Responder SwitchLinc 1 Dimmer On Level 100% Ramp Rate 0.1 sec

Responder KeypadLinc 1 Dimmer On Level 80% Ramp Rate 0.2 sec

 

SwitchLinc 1 Dimmer as Controller

Responder KeypadLinc 1 Dimmer On Level 50% Ramp Rate 4.0 sec

 

KeypadLinc 1 Dimmer as Controller

Responder SwitchLinc 1 Dimmer On Level 30% Ramp Rate 2 minutes

 

The reaction of any given Responder is based on which device (ISY PLM, KeypadLinc, SwitchLinc) is the Controller.

 

Define your Scene in terms of which devices are Controllers versus Responders (if any) using actual node names. The Adjust Scene is setting a specific Responder On Level or Ramp Rate for the selected Controller.

[binaryman]

Hmm.. Still confused..

 

So what is the scene ramp rate/level in the isy for?

 

And if their both controllers, how do I accomplish what I want to do?

 

What does adjusting ramp rate on the keypadlinc do?

[binaryman]

And why does a device need to be in a scene to adjust the ramp rate etc. why can't you do it directly?

[LeeG]

The Insteon Direct (for direct device control) On command has a placeholder for On Level, there is no placeholder for Ramp Rate.

 

EDIT: when a device paddle/button is pressed the device always issues a Scene (Group) command. A device never issues a Direct command as a result of pressing a paddle/button On/Off. Much of Insteon is built around Scenes as that is all that can be done without automation.

[binaryman]

seems really weird they'd allow you to change ramp rate locally, and via scene, but can't send a command to change it directly on the device... out of curiousity, does that mean when the ISY is dimming a device using a ramp rate it is sending a ton of different dim commands, or any idea how it does this without telling the device what the ramp rate should be?

 

 

anyways, so if I have two devices as controllers in a scene, what is the purpose\effect of the scene levels, vs keypadlinc levels, vs switchlinc levels?

 

And if I want to write a program that dims the light slowly over 6 minutes then goes back to normal ramp rates etc... how do I do that?

[binaryman]

also why cant you adjust scene ramp rates\levels with a program??

[LeeG]

There are Start Manual Change Dim/Bright commands which correspond to pressing and holding a paddle/button and a Stop Manual Change command which stops the Dim/Bright ramp which corresponds to releasing the paddle/button.

 

The Adjust Scene can adjust a Scene Controller/Responder combination.

 

One way would be to use Adjust Scene Action to set the Responder Ramp Rate to the 6 minute Ramp Rate when the Controller is the ISY PLM (Scene name). Then turn the Scene On to 100% which will occur over a 6 minute period.

 

The various On Level and Ramp rate combinations are spelled out in my earlier post.