Fanlinc 2475F and KeypadLinc 2486S

[steelman58]

I have a Fanlinc 2475F and I am trying to set it up to use it with my KeypadLinc 2486S Relay v.36. I have been having difficulties with getting it setup, but in the forum I am seeing references to KeypadLinc Relay v. 40 as being what is needed to use the Fanlinc. Is this correct? The FanLinc version is v. BA.

[LeeG]

The FanLinc will work with any of the KeypadLincs. Likely the FanLinc is an I2CS device which requires 3.2.6 for I2CS support. The FanLinc has to be added to the ISY under 3.2.6.

[steelman58]

I've update my ISY firmware to 3.2.6, and tried to link the FanLinc, however the FanLinc still will not link (using Link Management>>New Insteon Device). I have checked the wiring on the fan and I've done it to the instructions (including leaving fan speed set to high and light on) and I've correctly connected the wires on the KPL (per instructions). Note: The KPL is a 6-button with top and bottom Light On and Light Off and the smaller middle buttons being Fan Off, Fan Low, Fan Med and Fan High. It has been linked to the ISY.

 

If I press the KPL Light On button and try to link, it will link, but my understanding is that this is not how it is to be linked.

 

If it is linked in this way and I follow the instructions written on posts in this forum for creating scenes for each fan setting, they do not work unless the Light On button is "On". Additionally, if I press the Fan Off button and try to turn the fan or lights on from the ISY client, it will not work. In fact, it cannot find the FanLinc (motor or light).

 

Obviously, I'm doing something wrong otherwise everything would work to spec. Does anyone have any ideas?

[LeeG]

Some basic things to verify.

 

Run Help | About and insure Firmware and UI lines both show 3.2.6.

 

Confirm the FanLinc was added to the ISY under 3.2.6.

 

The state of the KeypadLinc ON button should have no affect on the ISY linking of the KeypadLinc or the FanLinc. That fact that it does indicates a wiring issue. Sounds like the KeypadLinc load red wire is controlling power to the FanLinc device. The FanLinc must have unswitched 120v AC at all times, not affected by any KeypadLinc button. Do the FanLinc LEDs cycle On and Off as the KeypadLinc ON/OFF buttons are cycled?

[steelman58]

LeeG

 

I ran "Run Help | About" and can confirm the ISY Firmware and UI lines both show 3.2.6. The FanLinc was added under 3.2.6.

 

I will need to again open up the KPL switch J-box to confirm the wiring as well as open up the fan housing to respond to your other questions. I hope to get back to you with an update fairly soon.

[steelman58]

LeeG,

 

My wiring appears to be normal and in accordance with the Smarthome 2475F and 2486S manuals.

 

Here is the rundown of what I have wired, starting from the J-box and KPL at the wall.

 

J-box:

 

- 4 Wires. Black line-in from load centre (connected to KPL Black line wire); Black from ceiling fan electrical box (connected to KPL Red wire); White (pig-tailed with Neutral wires including KPL); and ground.

 

FanLinc at Ceiling Fan (Electrical Box):

 

1) 2 Wires. Black (Black from J-box Line connected to FanLinc Black wire); White (from J-box pigtailed with FanLinc Neutral wire and ceiling fan (White) Neutral wire)

 

2) Blue (Blue from FanLinc connected to ceiling fan Blue light wire); Red (Red from FanLinc connected to Ceiling fan motor wire (Black).

 

I have installed a Harbor Breeze Mayfield ceiling fan. The ceiling fan kit has a pull-chain for both the light and fan. With the pull chains, I have adjusted the light to On and the fan to "High", prior to hooking up the FanLinc wiring. In the Harbor Breeze manual, there are three scenarios which can be used for connecting (the image is below). I chose the 3rd option as it seemed closest to what I needed to do.

 

Can you see any areas where possibly I've incorrectly wired the J-box/KPL/FanLinc/ceiling fan?

 

[LeeG]

"Black from ceiling fan electrical box (connected to KPL Red wire); White (pig-tailed with Neutral wires including KPL); and ground."

 

I stopped reading when I got to this point. Nothing should be connected to the KeypadLinc Red load wire. The KeypadLinc ON/Off buttons will control the FanLinc Light node by linking the KeypadLinc ON button as a Controller with the FanLinc Light node as a Responder.

 

By connecting the black wire going to the fan fixture to the KeypadLinc Red wire, the KeypadLinc load control circuitry must be On (ON button On) for the FanLinc to receive power. The FanLinc must receive unswitched 120v AC. The FanLinc is like an InLineLinc in that they both must be powered by unswitched 120V AC. The FanLinc nodes for the Light and for the Fan are controlled as Responders by other Controller devices being linked to them.

 

In this case I think you plan to use the KeypadLinc ON/Off buttons to control the FanLinc Light. This is accomplished with links, not direct wiring.

 

The fan wiring diagrams are depicting normal electrical switches. Not an electronic FanLinc.

[steelman58]

LeeG,

 

What you've written is logical and makes perfect sense. What was really making wonder what was going on was in the KPL 2486S manual there is a diagram that shows the Red wire as being connected to the load (see image below). I thought if Smarthome is specifying the Red wire to be connected to the load then the Black wire (coming from the J-box which was connected to the Red "Load" wire) must be the only wire delivering 120V AC to the ceiling fan. But, as you pointed out, by linking (and scenes) the ceiling fan can be controlled vs. an actual fully hardwired configuration. Too bad Smarthome hasn't written anything into their manuals (KPL or FanLinc) to help better understand the correct setup.

 

So to summarize the wiring as it should be:

 

J-box:

 

- 4 Wires. Black line-in from load centre (pig-tail connected to KPL Black line wire and to Black Load wire going to load/ceiling fan); KPL Red wire (terminated with marrette); White (pig-tailed with Neutral wires including KPL); and ground.

 

FanLinc at Ceiling Fan (Electrical Box):

 

This portion remains unchanged from the wiring configuration in my previous post.

 

1) 2 Wires. Black (Black from J-box Line connected to FanLinc Black wire); White (from J-box pigtailed with FanLinc Neutral wire and ceiling fan (White) Neutral wire)

 

2) Blue (Blue from FanLinc connected to ceiling fan Blue light wire); Red (Red from FanLinc connected to Ceiling fan motor wire (Black).

 

Do I have it right?

 

[LeeG]

The rewire is correct.

 

The Smarthome diagram that shows the Red KeypadLinc wire going to the load is correct. The load could be a light, with a relay KeypadLinc the load could be a fan. The red wire from one Insteon switch never powers another Insteon device as a load because all wired Insteon devices require unswitched 120v AC. They are all basically electronic devices which must have power at all times to function.

 

Once the wiring change is made the FanLinc should have the 2 LEDs On unless the option was selected to turn the LEDs Off. It should now be possible to link the KeypadLinc buttons to the appropriate FanLinc nodes.

[steelman58]

LeeG,

 

I rewired the J-box and KPL and terminated the Red load wire from the KPL. All is working well (except for an unrelated KPL problem which I will post as a new topic).

 

Thanks for your help.