jmed999 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I noticed in the admin console under the "Main" tab and clicking on my 2476S...there is something called "LED Brightness". Does that mean that if the lights the Switchlinc (2476S) is controlling are dimmable LED then the SY can dim and brighten the lights even though it is not a dimmer Switchlinc? Thanks! Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No. LED Brightness controls the brightness of the LED status lights on the left side of the SwitchLinc. Link to comment
jmed999 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 Oh, lol...I feel like a dumb as now Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment
LeeG Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Never feel bad about asking a question! Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 No. LED Brightness controls the brightness of the LED status lights on the left side of the SwitchLinc. I am trying to perform the variable backlight level adjustment for keypadlinc 6 button in ISY admin 3.2.6 by using the main/device/led brightness button settings. I see ISY communicate to KPL by watching the event viewer I am able to use the KPL A/D button setup, but not able to change via ISY. LED brightness in Wiki does not have much info. What am I doing wrong Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Some system information will be helpful What is the KeypadLinc firmware level? What is the ISY firmware level? What backlight values are being set? did not understand the reference to buttons A/D. Individual button backlight level cannot be changed. A change to backlight level applies to all buttons on the KeypadLinc. Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 What is the KeypadLinc firmware level? >>>>> 6B-v.36 / 8B-v.2D What is the ISY firmware level? >>>>> 3.2.6 What backlight values are being set? >>>>> the level when a button is off and the level when a button is on did not understand the reference to buttons A/D. Individual button backlight level cannot be changed. A change to backlight level applies to all buttons on the KeypadLinc. From manual LED Brightness KeypadLinc’s LEDs can be set to any one of 32 brightness levels. 6-Button Configuration 1) Simultaneously tap the A and D buttons KeypadLinc will beep 2) Use the On (brighter) and Off (dimmer) buttons to adjust LED brightness 3) When you have reached desired brightness, simultaneously tap the A and D buttons again KeypadLinc will beep Back to ready mode 8-Button Configuration 1) Simultaneously tap the C and F buttons KeypadLinc will beep 2) Press & hold On button to adjust the LED brightness. (Each press & hold will toggle between brightening and dimming) 3) When you have reached desired brightness, simultaneously tap the C and F buttons KeypadLinc will beep Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 The 6 button at v.36 should work. Not sure if the 8 button at v.2D can be adjusted programmatically. Let’s get the 6 button working first. When i asked about the backlight levels I was asking what numbers were being entered. Sorry for the confusion. Right click on the 6 button Primary node, select Diagnostics | Query Insteon Engine. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at Level 3. Change the backlight level with the Admin Console and post the trace. Note what Off level and On level numbers were entered. Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 as requested... Type is KPL-D 6B v.2C (2486D) Address is: 0A.E4.17 Values are 7 amd 15 ( I assume this is brightes when off and brightes when on) The 6 button at v.36 should work. Not sure if the 8 button at v.2D can be adjusted programmatically. Let’s get the 6 button working first. When i asked about the backlight levels I was asking what numbers were being entered. Sorry for the confusion. Right click on the 6 button Primary node, select Diagnostics | Query Insteon Engine. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at Level 3. Change the backlight level with the Admin Console and post the trace. Note what Off level and On level numbers were entered. Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 file will not attach to post... ----------------------------------- Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0A E4 17 0F 24 00 Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.E4.17 0F 24 00 06 (00) Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.E4.17 0F.D3.7B 23 24 00 (00) Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [A E4 17 1 ] Memory : EPROM Refreshed ----------------------------------- as requested...Type is KPL-D 6B v.2C (2486D) Address is: 0A.E4.17 Values are 7 amd 15 ( I assume this is brightes when off and brightes when on) The 6 button at v.36 should work. Not sure if the 8 button at v.2D can be adjusted programmatically. Let’s get the 6 button working first. When i asked about the backlight levels I was asking what numbers were being entered. Sorry for the confusion. Right click on the 6 button Primary node, select Diagnostics | Query Insteon Engine. Run Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer at Level 3. Change the backlight level with the Admin Console and post the trace. Note what Off level and On level numbers were entered. Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Yes, the 7 is Off LED bright level, 15 is On LED bright level. The KeypadLinc firmware requires a differential of 8 so the LED On and Off levels are visually detectable. I'll have to do some research for a KeypadLinc with v.2C firmware. That is very old as firmware goes, v.40 is the latest. Not sure that level of firmware supports changing the LED bright level programmatically. Are you able to change the backlight level with the KeypadLinc buttons themselves? Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 NNilsen Would you please repeat setting the LED Brightness levels but with a different set of numbers. The ISY does not write values if they have not changed from what they were previously. Again, with Tools | Diagnostics | Event Trace with Level 3. Posting the trace as before is fine. Note that this KeypadLinc has poor communication with the ISY PLM. The message coming from the KeypadLinc shows Max Hops 3 with Hops Left 0. That is as the outer edge of reliability. Scene problems from a device with Hops Left 0 when Max Hops 3 would not be unusual. Sat 08/04/2012 10:13:22 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 set values to 1 and 7... Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [All ] Writing 2 bytes to devices Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [A E4 17 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [17] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0A E4 17 0F 28 02 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.E4.17 0F 28 02 06 SET-MSB(02) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.E4.17 0F.D3.7B 2B 28 02 SET-MSB(02) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0A E4 17 0F 2B 64 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:20 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.E4.17 0F 2B 64 06 PEEK (64) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.E4.17 0F.D3.7B 2B 2B 12 PEEK (12) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0A E4 17 0F 29 17 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.E4.17 0F 29 17 06 POKE (17) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.E4.17 0F.D3.7B 2B 29 17 POKE (17) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 0A E4 17 0F 24 00 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:21 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.E4.17 0F 24 00 06 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:22 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.E4.17 0F.D3.7B 2B 24 00 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:22 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0A.E4.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 10:38:22 AM : [A E4 17 1 ] Memory : EPROM Refreshed Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Thanks for the trace. I found a v.2C KPL here. The LED levels do not change. That KPL cannot have the LED Bright level changed programmatically. EDIT: in fact my v.2C cannot be manually cycled through various LED bright levels. I found an old KeypadLinc User Guide which describes the LED bright level adjustment as toggling between two bright levels only. The LED variable brightness came in a later hardware/firmware version. Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 set tp 7 15 on a v.36 and it works... so for my knowledgebase is there a list of device versions of KPL 6B,8B that can be set via ISY is there a list of device versions of switchlinc that can be set via ISY from the diag how do you see the version how do you see if memory was set Thanks for the great support!! Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [All ] Writing 2 bytes to devices Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [16 6D 41 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [7F] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 16 6D 41 0F 28 02 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 16.6D.41 0F 28 02 06 SET-MSB(02) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.6D.41 0F.D3.7B 2B 28 02 SET-MSB(02) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][16.6D.41-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 16 6D 41 0F 2B 64 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:22 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 16.6D.41 0F 2B 64 06 PEEK (64) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.6D.41 0F.D3.7B 2B 2B 3F PEEK (3F) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][16.6D.41-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 16 6D 41 0F 29 7F Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 16.6D.41 0F 29 7F 06 POKE (7F) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.6D.41 0F.D3.7B 2B 29 7F POKE (7F) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][16.6D.41-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 16 6D 41 0F 24 00 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:23 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 16.6D.41 0F 24 00 06 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:24 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.6D.41 0F.D3.7B 2B 24 00 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:24 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][16.6D.41-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 11:10:24 AM : [16 6D 41 1 ] Memory : EPROM Refreshed Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 There is no list of hardware/firmware versus features. I wish SmartLabs would publish this information but they do not. As much of an impact I2CS devices are they have not published anything about what devices are I2CS and when the other devices will be. If the last trace is from a v.36 KPL, right click on KPL Primary node, select Diagnostics | Query Insteon Engine. After that I believe ISY will use the later extended commands to set the LED bright level. The trace will look like the following rather than the Peek/Poke sequence now being used. Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [15 9A F9 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [7F] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [iNST-TX-I2 ] 02 62 15 9A F9 1F 2E 00 01 07 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4B Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 15.9A.F9 1F 2E 00 01 07 7F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 4B 06 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 15.9A.F9 19.70.06 2B 2E 00 (00) Sun 08/05/2012 11:52:08 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][15.9A.F9-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sun 08/05/2012 11:54:36 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1D.6C.D6 19.70.06 01 6F 26 (26) Sun 08/05/2012 11:54:36 AM : [standard-Direct][1D.6C.D6-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 The device firmware is displayed on the second line of the Admin Console detail device information in the right pane. There is no reason to think memory was not changed by a Peek/Poke sequence. The hardware memory is very solid. The only exception, which is not a hardware problem, some commands have been removed from I2CS devices. The event trace may look like they worked but the firmware did not do anything with the commands. This is generally only a problem for an ISY running down level firmware (below 3.2.6) trying to add a new device that contains I2CS firmware. I2CS is an enhanced version of Insteon messages which have features for added data validation and security. Link to comment
plipof Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Would you happen to know the default settings for INSTEON switchlinc dimmers and INSTEON keypads? (example: switch default is 75% and keypad default is On 10 / Off 2). Please advise. Thanks so much for the help Link to comment
LeeG Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 I believe both SwitchLinc and KeypadLinc factory reset to full brightness. There have been cases where devices arrive with information residual from the test process. We have seen devices have X10 addresses, link records, etc. Do not remember a post about LED bright level being at some lower level but anything is possible. It is always a good idea to factory reset new devices. I also prefer to put new wired devices on an appliance cord to test before installing in a wall. I’ve not gotten a DOA but I have seen devices with various information that a factory reset clears. Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I guess I will Querry insteon engine for all my devices... new trace look correct (no peak and poke) Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:40 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:40 PM : [16 6D 41 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [17] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:40 PM : [iNST-TX-I2 ] 02 62 16 6D 41 1F 2E 00 01 07 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B3 Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:40 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 16.6D.41 1F 2E 00 01 07 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B3 06 (00) Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:41 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.6D.41 0F.D3.7B 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 08/06/2012 01:22:41 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][16.6D.41-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 08/06/2012 01:24:06 PM : [ Time] 13:24:15 1(0) Mon 08/06/2012 01:33:57 PM : [ Time] 13:34:16 1(0) Mon 08/06/2012 01:43:48 PM : [ Time] 13:44:16 1(0) Mon 08/06/2012 01:53:40 PM : [ Time] 13:54:15 1(0) Link to comment
NNilsen Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Would you happen to know the default settings for INSTEON switchlinc dimmers and INSTEON keypads? (example: switch default is 75% and keypad default is On 10 / Off 2). Please advise. Thanks so much for the help I do not know for sure but.. current on level was set to 30% when A/D or C/F settings were made at each KPL Link to comment
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